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The match will be on 17 Oct 2015. Info will be posted here, and on www.InGunOwners.com beginning in late July/early August.

230 grain taped to the top of mine. It might be too much weight, as I still am having primer feed problems.

The pre-registration deadline has been extended until tomorrow (12 Oct 2011) 10pm CDT.

I need all entries in by October 9th. RO and scorekeeper slots are full. I hope you can be there ! G7

Steel Shooters -- Here is some information regarding the 2011 SCSA Indiana State Match :: Sponsored by Klipsch Audio OVER $4,000.00 in prize drawings, in addition to plaques for performance recognition. DATE :: 15 October 2011 LOCATION :: Atlanta Conservation Club; 29595 Leonard Road ATLANTA, INDIANA TIMES :: (APPROXIMATE) RO and Volunteer Set-up 7:00 to 8:30 am RO squads – 9:00 to 12:00 am Lunch – Noon to 1:00 pm Normal Match Check-In – 12:00 to 12:40 pm Normal Match Shooter Meeting – 1:00 to 1:20 pm Normal Match – 1:20 to 5:00 pm Prize Drawings -- 5:00 to 6:00 Awards after scores are calculated, 6:00 pm or so. STAGES and RULES :: 8 stages. All 8 of the current SCSA stages. COSTS ::$40 each gun/entry if you pre-register (NOT pre-PAID). $60 each gun/entry if you do not pre-register. FULL INFORMATION HERE :: ATLANTA CONSERVATION CLUB

ABOUT 12 SLOTS LEFT. SEND ME AN E-MAIL BY 05OC09 TO GET PRE-REGISTERED. UPDATED PRIZE LIST. Steel Shooters -- Here is some information regarding the 2009 SCSA Indiana State Match :: DATE :: 17 October 2009 LOCATION :: Atlanta Conservation Club; 29595 Leonard Road ATLANTA, INDIANA TIMES :: RO and Volunteer Set-up 7:00 to 8:30 am RO squads – 9:00 to 12:00 am Lunch – Noon to 1:00 pm Normal Match Check-In – 12:00 to 12:40 pm Normal Match Shooter Meeting – 1:00 to 1:20 pm Normal Match – 1:20 to 5:00 pm Awards after scores are calculated, 6:00 pm or so. DIVISIONS :: (Not quite the same as SCSA nationals) Center-Fire divisions – minimum caliber is 9mm/.38SPL. Production; Double action and “Safe action”. IRON sights, no compensators. Examples :: All GLOCKs, Beretta 92, SIG 229, 226, 250 . . . Springfield XDs (because SCSA is part of USPSA). Limited; Single action guns. 1911’s, etc. with IRON sights, no compensators. Open; Anything goes (semi-automatic). Carbine; CF PISTOL calibers, ANY sights NO MAGNUM CALIBERS. Cowboy; any SASS handgun division. <}:-}) Revolver; for all Center-Fire revolvers, IRON sights. GSSF; Production guns, but WITHOUT the holster. RIMFIRE DIVISIONS :: 22PO Rimfire Pistol Optic; .22LR, OPTIC sights. Pistol. 22PI Rimfire Pistol Iron; .22LR, IRON sights. Pistol. 22RO Rimfire Rifle Optic; .22LR, OPTIC sights. Rifle and Carbine. 22RI Rimfire Rifle Iron; .22LR, IRON sights. Rifle and Carbine. 22Rev6 Not available for the State Match 22Rev10 Not available for the State Match COSTS :: $40 each gun/entry if you pre-register (NOT pre-PAID). $60 each gun/entry if you do not pre-register. RO’s & vol’s :: first entry FREE, additional entries $20 off. $20 off for active military. I don't want any money until October 17th, but to get the $40 rate, I need to know you will be there. (Send an e-mail to: bangandclang-targets@yahoo.com ) REGISTRATION INFORMATION I NEED FROM YOU :: ALL 6 THINGS by OCTOBER 5TH. Full name -- State of residence -- Division(s) entered -- Gun to be used – for each division -- Special Recognition categories -- (Please state NO S.R. if none apply.) RO/Volunteer -- or Normal Entry – (RO/Volunteer slots now full) I will figure up how much money you will need for entry fees on October 17th, and send you a confirmation e-mail. YOU CAN ENTER ANY NUMBER OF DIVISIONS --- AS LONG AS THE HOLSTERING DOES NOT CLASH. The holster is the key to the whole second gun thing. If your second entry is holster-less -- GSSF, any (or all) of the .22 divisions, carbine, etc, then you are all set. For that matter, if you shot, say, Revolver Right-handed and Limited Left-handed -- that would work from my perspective, which is to keep the match moving. (I doubt that particular scenario would happen, but if you are ambidextrous and want to try it, I am not going to prohibit it.) STAGES :: All 8 current SCSA stages. ROUND COUNT :: 195 for a 'clean' match. Bring 300 to 400 per gun to have plenty of ammo. No magazine capacity limits. (And, you may load ‘em up !!!) Minimum of 5 magazines (or speed-loaders) per gun. PRIZES :: Plaques for winners of each Division, Smaller plaques for 2nd and 3rd in some divisions. There may be a prize for the overall lowest time of the match (ANY semi-auto gun). Special recognition plaques for :: Senior (55-64), Super Senior (65+), Junior (17 and younger), Female, and Challenger. These will be determined by relative finish WITHIN division. E.g. 3rd in a division of 10 = 0.3 and 2nd in a division of 4 = 0.5 --- the 3rd place shooter is the winner of special recognition. In case of a tie, the shooter with the higher percentage of the champion’s score (ala USPSA) will be the S.R. winner. Drawings for merchandise prizes will be administered by Jeff Brown. Each entry will receive tickets ( # tbd ) that the shooter places in jars corresponding to each prize. Random draw from the tickets placed in the jars determines the winners. Merchandise prizes will NOT be awarded for performance this year. NOTE :: ACC IS A COLD RANGE. DO NOT "GUN-UP" IN, OR AT, YOUR CAR --- USE THE SAFE AREAS, PREFERABLY WITH AN R.O., OR JUST WAIT UNTIL THE FIRST STAGE. You can load magazines anywhere EXCEPT THE SAFE AREAS :: but DO NOT remove your gun from its box or bag until you are on the line, ready to compete. (Or you are at one of the SAFE AREAS, with an R.O. :: For example - if you need to verify function, or clean something.) 2009 SCSA INDIANA STATE MATCH PRIZE DONATIONS JIM BARBOUR --- www.indianajim.com (2) CERTIFICATES – EACH FOR 1000 BERRY’S BULLETS -- 9mm, 40 CAL, OR 45 CAL (230 GRAIN LIMIT) -- YOUR CHOICE ARV $250 RAVEN CONCEALMENT SYSTEMS, DIV. OF THE MALABAR FRONT, LLC --- www.RavenConcealment.com MERCHANDISE CERTIFICATE RV $150 MERCHANDISE CERTIFICATE RV $100 MERCHANDISE CERTIFICATE RV $50 VIC SEITER CUSTOM PRODUCTS --- www.reallyneatguystuff.com SOG knife ARV $65.00 ‘BIG DAVE’ PLUIMER --- www.indygunracers.com TBD ARV $TBD.00 LINDA’S CUSTOM PRODUCTS --- 866.544.3552 (3) PASSIVE EARPLUGS ARV $15.00 EACH DWAYNE --- CNC CARTRIDGE --- 618.435.2855 WINCHESTER 50 ROUND BOX OF 9mm ARV $27.00 Thanks ! Eric

Steel Shooters -- Here is some information regarding the 2009 SCSA Indiana State Match :: THERE ARE ABOUT 20 SLOTS OPEN AS OF 24SE09. DATE :: 17 October 2009 LOCATION :: Atlanta Conservation Club; 29595 Leonard Road ATLANTA, INDIANA TIMES :: RO and Volunteer Set-up 7:00 to 8:30 am RO squads – 9:00 to 12:00 am Lunch – Noon to 1:00 pm Normal Match Check-In – 12:00 to 12:40 pm Normal Match Shooter Meeting – 1:00 to 1:20 pm Normal Match – 1:20 to 5:00 pm Awards after scores are calculated, 6:00 pm or so. DIVISIONS :: (Not quite the same as SCSA nationals) Production; Double action and “Safe action”. IRON sights, no compensators. Examples :: All GLOCKs, Beretta 92, SIG 229, 226, 250 . . . Springfield XDs (because SCSA is part of USPSA). Limited; Single action guns. 1911’s, etc. with IRON sights, no compensators. Open; Anything goes (semi-automatic). Carbine; CF PISTOL calibers, ANY sights NO MAGNUM CALIBERS. Cowboy; any SASS handgun division. <}:-}) Revolver; for all Center-Fire revolvers, IRON sights. GSSF; Production guns, but WITHOUT the holster. Center-Fire divisions – minimum caliber is 9mm/.38SPL. 22PO Rimfire Pistol Optic; .22LR, OPTIC sights. Pistol. 22PI Rimfire Pistol Iron; .22LR, IRON sights. Pistol. 22RO Rimfire Rifle Optic; .22LR, OPTIC sights. Rifle and Carbine. 22RI Rimfire Rifle Iron; .22LR, IRON sights. Rifle and Carbine. 22Rev6 Not available for the State Match 22Rev10 Not available for the State Match COSTS :: $40 each gun/entry if you pre-register (NOT pre-PAID). $60 each gun/entry if you do not pre-register. RO’s & vol’s :: first entry FREE, additional entries $20 off. $20 off for active military. I don't want any money until October 17th, but to get the $40 rate, I need to know you will be there. (Send an e-mail to: bangandclang-targets<A>yahoo<DT>com ) REGISTRATION INFORMATION I NEED FROM YOU :: ALL 6 THINGS by OCTOBER 1st. Full name -- State of residence -- Division(s) entered -- Gun to be used – for each division -- Special Recognition categories -- (Please state NO S.R. if none apply.) RO/Volunteer -- or Normal Entry -- NORMAL ONLY. VOLUNTEER SLOTS ARE FULL. (THANKS, ALL !!!) (Send an e-mail to: bangandclang-targets<A>yahoo<DT>com ) I will figure up how much money you will need for entry fees on October 17th, and send you a confirmation e-mail. YOU CAN ENTER ANY NUMBER OF DIVISIONS --- AS LONG AS THE HOLSTERING DOES NOT CLASH. The holster is the key to the whole second gun thing. If your second entry is holster-less -- GSSF, any (or all) of the .22 divisions, carbine, etc, then you are all set. For that matter, if you shot, say, Revolver Right-handed and Limited Left-handed -- that would work from my perspective, which is to keep the match moving. (I doubt that particular scenario would happen, but if you are ambidextrous and want to try it, I am not going to prohibit it.) STAGES :: All 8 current SCSA stages. ROUND COUNT :: 195 for a 'clean' match. Bring 300 to 400 per gun to have plenty of ammo. No magazine capacity limits. (And, you may load ‘em up !!!) Minimum of 5 magazines (or speed-loaders) per gun. PRIZES :: Plaques for winners of each Division. Smaller plaques for 2nd and 3rd in some divisions. There may be a prize for the overall lowest time of the match (ANY semi-auto gun). Special recognition plaques for :: Senior (55-64), Super Senior (65+), Junior (17 and younger), Female, and Challenger. These will be determined by relative finish WITHIN division. E.g. 3rd in a division of 10 = 0.3 and 2nd in a division of 4 = 0.5 --- the 3rd place shooter is the winner of special recognition. Drawings for merchandise prizes will be administered by Jeff Brown. Each entry will receive tickets ( # tbd ) that the shooter places in jars corresponding to each prize. Random draw from the tickets placed in the jars determines the winners. Merchandise prizes will NOT be awarded for performance this year. NOTE :: ACC IS A COLD RANGE. DO NOT "GUN-UP" IN, OR AT, YOUR CAR --- USE THE SAFE AREAS, PREFERABLY WITH AN R.O., OR JUST WAIT UNTIL THE FIRST STAGE. You can load magazines anywhere EXCEPT THE SAFE AREAS :: but DO NOT remove your gun from its box or bag until you are on the line, ready to compete. (Or you are at one of the SAFE AREAS, with an R.O. :: For example - if you need to verify function, or clean something.) 2009 SCSA INDIANA STATE MATCH PRIZE DONATIONS JIM BARBOUR --- www.indianajim.com (2) CERTIFICATES – EACH FOR 1000 BERRY’S BULLETS -- 9mm, 40 CAL, OR 45 CAL (230 GRAIN LIMIT) -- YOUR CHOICE ARV $250 RAVEN CONCEALMENT SYSTEMS, DIV. OF THE MALABAR FRONT, LLC --- www.RavenConcealment.com MERCHANDISE CERTIFICATE RV $150 MERCHANDISE CERTIFICATE RV $100 MERCHANDISE CERTIFICATE RV $50 VIC SEITER CUSTOM PRODUCTS --- www.reallyneatguystuff.com SOG knife ARV $65.00 LINDA’S CUSTOM PRODUCTS --- 866.544.3552 (3) PASSIVE EARPLUGS ARV $15.00 EACH DWAYNE --- CNC CARTRIDGE --- 618.435.2855 WINCHESTER 50 ROUND BOX OF 9mm ARV $27.00 Thanks ! Eric

Divisions, yes. You are correct. There are no "Master class" or "A" class, etc. breakouts. I mis-typed earlier.

Will we be able to shoot in different divisions or just one? You can shoot as many classes as you like, provided your holster does not have to be changed. Also, you can't shoot the same class twice. Eric So are you going to have the competitors run all divisions they sign up for all at the same time or have them go back through again? All entries/divisions at once. Squads will be divided by number of entries.

Will we be able to shoot in different divisions or just one? You can shoot as many classes as you like, provided your holster does not have to be changed. Also, you can't shoot the same class twice. Eric

I will keep an eye on this thread and answer any questions that come up. When I get most of the details solidified, I will post some general information on the website BigDave set up for the event. Eric Welsh Match Director, Indiana State SCSA Match

Atlanta Conservation Club presents ::: ACC WEBSITE FIRST ANNUAL INDIANA STEEL CHALLENGE SHOOTERS’ ASSOCIATION (SCSA) STATE MATCH 20 OCT 2007 (The usual 3rd Saturday) LIMITED TO FIRST 60 REGISTRANTS (I HAVE 44 AS OF 10 OC 07) $20 PER ENTRY (Payable at the door) E-MAIL TO :: ERIC TO PRE-REGISTER INCLUDE NAME, CLASS, AND ANY SPECIAL RECOGNITION (JR, SR, FEM . . .) AND IF YOU ARE FROM OUT OF STATE (YOU ARE MORE THAN WELCOME TO COME SHOOT WITH US, AND YOU MAY WIN THE MATCH – JUST NOT THE STATE CHAMPIONSHIP) SET-UP 7:00 TO 9:00 (THIS IS ALREADY COVERED WITH VOLUNTEERS -- COME AT 11:00) R.O. SHOOT 9:00 – 11:00 FINISH AFTER MATCH IFF NECESSARY R.O. LUNCH 11:00 – 12:00 REGISTRATION 11:00 – 12:00 SHOOTER MEETING 12:00 MATCH STARTS 12:30 IT ENDS WHEN IT ENDS (PROBABLY 4:30) SCORES WILL BE ENTERED AND CALCULATED IMMEDIATELY FOLLOWING THE MATCH RESULTS WILL BE E-MAILED AND POSTED AS WELL 6 STAGES ARE PLANNED (ALL FROM OFFICIAL SCSA RULES) · 5 TO GO · ACCELERATOR · SMOKE & HOPE · SHOWDOWN · ROUNDABOUT · OUTER LIMITS ROUND COUNT = 150 PERFECT/CLEAN MINIMUM, (BRING 300 PER ENTRY) CLASSES WILL BE THE SAME AS WE HAVE BEEN USING THE LAST 5 YEARS (EXCEPT RIMFIRE: 22 OPTICAL SIGHT AND 22 IRON SIGHTS WILL BE TWO SEPARATE CLASSES) CLASSES ARE: Production; Double, and “Safe” action. All GLOCKs, Beretta 92, SIG 229, 226 . . . Limited; Single action 1911’s with iron sights, no compensators. Springfield XDs. Open; Anything goes (semi-automatic). Carbine; CF PISTOL calibers, any sights NO MAGNUM CALIBERS. 22 Pistol Optical; .22LR, any sights. 22 Pistol Iron; .22LR, IRON sights. 22 Rifle/Carbine; .22LR, any sights. Revolver; for all revolvers, iron sights. Cowboy; SASS type guns, any sights. GSSF; Production guns, but WITHOUT the holster. NO MONETARY PRIZES; WE WILL PRESENT MEDALS AND/OR TROPHIES . . . OTHER THAN STARTING AT NOON, THE MATCH WILL BE VERY SIMILAR TO A REGULAR MONTHLY MATCH $20 PER ENTRY RAIN OR SHINE (LIGHTNING WILL DELAY) LIMIT = 2 ENTRIES. ANY TWO WHERE HOLSTERING DOESN’T CLASH ENTRIES MUST BE IN DIFFERENT CLASSES FOR STATE MATCH ENTRIES MAY BE SHOT IN ANY ORDER THERE WILL BE 6 SQUADS THE SAME R.O. WILL RUN ALL SHOOTERS THROUGH A SPECIFIC STAGE PRE-REGISTRATION IS FREE, AND HIGHLY ENCOURAGED, BUT PLEASE DO SHOW UP IF YOU DO PRE-REGISTER . . . NO SIDE MATCHES NO FOOD WILL BE FOR SALE (UNLESS I GET A VOLUNTEER . . . !!!) WATER AND POP SHOULD BE AVAILABLE, AS USUAL THE CLUBHOUSE WILL BE OPEN FOR RESTROOM FACILITIES, AS USUAL MIKE FICHMAN OF SCSA APPROVED THE MATCH DURING PHONE CONVERSATIONS IN JUNE, BUT WE NEVER EXCHANGED OFFICIAL FORMS – THEREFORE, THE MATCH SHOULD BE VIEWED AS UNOFFICIAL THE STAGES WILL NOT BE LAID OUT WITH A TRANSIT. IF TIME PERMITS, DISTANCES WILL BE CHECKED WITH A TAPE MEASURE. BECAUSE THERE NO REAL PRIZES, EQUIPMENT USE WILL BE HONOR SYSTEM. (BUT SUBJECT TO R.O. SCRUTINY) MINIMUM magazine requirements :: 5 PER GUN. The RO's will enforce the 30 second rule for this match. If you are having jamming problems, or your front sight fell off . . . The RO will call UNCLE. Your time will be recorded as 30 seconds for the string, and you can Load and Make Ready (LaMR) for the next string. Hey, it may save the 5 rounds of ammo you will need for the last string of stage 6 !!! Eric MY E-MAIL Please shoot an e-mail if you have any questions !!!

No, because then the momentum of the bullet bouncing back would be wasted in NOT pushing the popper over. (Same for the splatter going sideways, it too is wasted as far as being used as "WORK" in the physics sense, to push the steel over) Velocity and Monemtum both are vector quantities, and we want all those vectors pushing the plate over, not going sideways as splatter; or backward. Any bouncing is wasted, (and hazardous to the shooter )

Momentum = mass times velocity. (AKA Power Factor) Kinetic Energy = 1/2 mass times (velocity squared). "Conserved" means momentum before the collision equals momentum after the collision. (or KE before = KE after) Momentum is conserved in ALL collisions. Kinetic Energy is only conserved in perfectly elastic collisions (billiard balls, knock-knocks, ball bearings). Bullets hitting poppers is an example that is much closer to an INELASTIC collision (two lumps of clay colliding - and then sticking together). The best-case scenario for us as shooters would be if the bullet could impact the steel, and then stay stuck to it. Of course, this won't happen, but second best is where there is the bullet does NOT splatter, and just falls - in a thud - to the ground. If the bullet splatters, the momentum, which is conserved - is partially lost in the sum of all the little masses, times velocities, going sideways. In an equal-momentum situation (and = PF) say a 100 gr bullet going 1250 fps vs a 125 gr bullet going 1000 fps, (both PF = 125) the heavier bullet has the edge ONLY because it probably will not break up as easily. If both could stick to the steel, both would knock it over equally fast/as well. This is why .45 works so well on steel -- and pins. Not only is the momentum good, the bullets stay together because the velocity is lower.

My first post here, BTW . . . INTP 89, 44, 44, 22. Yet another one, it seems. This BB is fantastic, in the true sense of the word. Thanks, Brian!