CJW
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There are definitely stages that specify reloading "from the belt" and others that don't. Trust the written stage briefing...but verify with the RO.
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Yes, very nice. Easy on logistics and also lets the shooter get into a groove with the specialty ammo.For those of you who actually shot the match, did you like having the slugs in an area and the buck in an area and the birdshot in an area?
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They use them on a few stages at the Nordic Shotgun Championship. Best shotgun KD target I have seen so far. Just "failed" oilfield pipe. There are various wall thicknesses, and the thinner 4",. cut to about 6-8" lengths works pretty well.
I saw those for the first time this year and really liked them (okay, the heavy ones on the jungle run maybe not quite as much...). They cannot spin, you have to aim a bit because "edge" hits will just slide right off, and there is almost no chance of backwards splatter from bird pellets—the pattern parts around the tube like waves off the bow of a ship. And when they get hit with slugs by accident, they seem to deform safely (dented, no jagged edges/shrapnel) and are cheap to replace.
Back to the match at hand, I am not getting ready for an IPSC match so I didn't study the rules deeply, but I think I had the right expectations for what an IPSC rules match would mean and I was certainly not disappointed. The buckshot stages, especially the 17-round field course, were surprisingly fun, and I think it turned out to be a very enjoyable match within the restrictions the IPSC structure imposed. I even ended up liking the "through the barrel" stage despite my impressions when I first looked at it.
Personally, I think the 50-round stage, even if toned down, should have been the biggest match stage—maybe 150 points or so. As shot, it was worth 15 fewer points than the second biggest stage, despite requiring 22 more shots, which seems a bit unbalanced in the opposite direction. Also, it is hard to tell from just looking at the Practiscore columns, but it seems that penalties were still full value (10 points per miss) even though when worked as a 125 point stage, hits were only worth 2.5 (rather than 5) points—so misses were quadruple the maximum scoring value. I had expected that HF would be calculated straight up on 250 points, then stage points assigned by percentage from the reduced stage value of 125 points. Essentially, how the halving was handled is the difference between needing 17, 10, or 9 Mikes to zero the stage, and that is significant.
Lastly, I am sure there were reasons for how scoring was done, but electronic scoring would have been nice. With the all steel stages getting only a single carbon copy for an entire squad, it was almost impossible for every shooter to keep an official record of his/her own scores. I prefer when an RO makes me look at the Nook or Kindle before pressing "Save" myself, thus pretty much guaranteeing that the electronic score is recorded correctly.
Anyway, Mark, great job and I really enjoyed my annual shotgun pilgrimage out to the Rock again!
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I have done both. I started with weak hand/roll-over twins, then finally got strong-hand twins working and moved up to strong hand quads from there. For the occasional support-side shooting stage, I have found that my previous experience allows me to do passably good roll-over twins loading with my strong hand that way.
Overall, I like the faster dismount/remount from having it up on the shoulder while loading. I also feel it is easier to keep an eye on the stage with the gun up there when I am loading on the move. Lastly, for truly awkward shooting positions, I can (pretty much) always get the gun from shooting position to loading position up on the strong shoulder, whereas the roll-over position could cause trouble in tight quarters.
That's my personal take, but I agree with everyone else that you should try both and see what works best for you.
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Here's how I did it. Screw holes are top left and bottom middle.
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Wow this opens up a whole new challenge..... start with your empty pistol holstered, carbine and shotgun slung, empty and hot precision rifle in hands. They are all empty because you are going to have to go prone.
They are all empty because I can't afford ammo after buying a scope for the bolt gun!
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I have successfully attached DAA Race Masters to a Tek-Lok, which means they will attach to a TMMS inner plate. Basically, you rotate the belt clamp around until you get two holes to line up (I believe I did this by rotating the top screw hole forward), then use the adjustability in the pouch to get it back to the position you want for your magazines.
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Delta did not charge me oversized on my 3-Gun case; they told they would have charged me overweight if the case had exceeded that limit.
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There's two premium Strelok apps—make sure you get the right one. I believe Strelok+ uses basic ballistic calculations but adds reticles, whereas Strelok Pro uses more accurate ballistic calculations but does not give reticles.
At any rate, the Strelok+ app is plenty good enough for 3-gun (actually, it's great for my bolt gun out to 1k yards, too) and is the $5 one.
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I used my g/f's 16" rifle with a Swaro Z6i for a lot of the long range stages at Warsport. I have great POV video of me on the first stage I used it running a 60yd plate rack at about 2.5x, getting prone, dutifully throwing the scope over...TO 1X
...looking through the scope, turning it back to 6x, and then shooting the 300yd targets.Fortunately it only took one stage to drive that lesson home!
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Sounds reasonable to me, but I don't do IPSC so prepping for World Shoot is not high on my priority list.
I have found it odd in the past that a "Benelli" sponsored shotgun match disallowed rounds on the carrier for empty chamber starts—it always seemed odd to me to have a rule that particularly penalized the sponsoring company's own shotguns!
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By the way, if you wear this and have to deal with prone position on a stage, leave one set of clips empty on the support side (I'm right-handed, so I leave the left-most set of clips empty). That gives me an easy handle to push the belt around out of the way (if I go prone later in a stage) or pull it into position (if I go prone early and start with the Chameleon off to the side). It works very well and takes very little time. It can be a lot easier than going prone on a beltful of caddies.
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Appendix E1 allows 000 to 4 buck and #3 to #9 birdshot, but also says MD or RM can put limits on number of buck pellets (E1.16) or shot size (E1.17). Are there any such additional match restrictions in place?
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I have rarely (maybe twice, total) seen support side rifle required for a stage, though I have also seen a few stages that offered the chance to avoid moving down to an extra shooting position if you wanted to take some shots farther uprange form the support shoulder (i.e., stages that were actually left-hand advantageous, so go figure...). That's rare enough I haven't practiced it.
I have seen rather more support side shotgun required stages—especially at shotgun only matches—but I've done well enough at those I haven't felt the need to put extra practice in with it. For what it is worth, I can already deuce load either strong or weak hand (I only quad load strong hand), so when I had to shoot the shotgun off my left shoulder, it actually worked out that I could do roll-over "support" hand (meaning my actual strong hand) deuce loading without any problems. I think loading a shotgun from the wrong side would be worth trying to see how much you need to practice it.
Now, if somebody told me I had to shoot aerials with a support side shotgun, I might feel the need to get some practice in with that.
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Many magazines (P-Mags, particularly) that are designed to hold 30 rounds can actually have 31 crammed into them. The point of the rule is, I think, easy RO enforcement—they can tell the difference between a factory 30 and a factory 40/60/100 without having to empty one and count rounds to see if this one might hold 31.
I think more people are going to be pissed that they just outlawed Ranger Tabs and such.
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You can call us at 800-356-6230 to pre-order ammo or accessories. You can also shop on our website at www.Gamaliel.com and choose "Pick up at Benelli Shotgun Championship" during checkout.
Thanks! I was looking on the site yesterday—I guess you don't carry Fiocchi shotgun ammo (specifically low-recoil slugs and buck)? I still need plenty of AA, though.
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Mark, just to make sure that this hasn't changed since the first post, but stages will be open for viewing on Thursday, correct?
Also, what's the situation with the ammo pre-order from Gamaliel, if you know—where do we get the order form?
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I think you might want to reconsider the basepad coupler. For one thing, the individual mags cannot slip, so you will never have a problem of the reload height being off when you go to swap. For another, you get a little extra room between the mags, which means chutes like the Arredondo do not get in the way. Also, the basepad couplers are allowed at most matches in Tac/Ops for use as a monopod, so you can get better prone stability.
Just my two cents...
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Yeah, yeah, that's what I get for typing in a hurry while multi-tasking on other things.
Of course, it was not the bare spring end actually hanging up. But with unbent edges, it is much more likely that the mag spring will twist when screwing down the tube cap, and that makes it more likely that a coil will be pushed up against the tube wall and hang on a small gap or imperfection—early on I had one such jam where the follower and loaded shells where sloshing up and down in the tube because it was the spring itself that managed to get snagged in the gap under the tube nut.
By the way, i did eventually switch to a Nordic follower; as I recall, one of its benefits is that it is taller than the stock M2 follower, so it does seem (at least to me) to make it harder for a mag spring to bind.
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I have a 12 round tube and an 18.5" barrel. I don't think my choke tubes have ever touched plastic.
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Well, as I said I bought one that came straight from the manufacturer fitted for the PDQ, but a buddy of mine modded a standard lower to take the PDQ and as far as I know he never had any issues. It is a very minor amount of material that needs to be removed.
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Use a pair of needle nose pliers to bend over the ends of the magazine spring. The bare wire can sometimes catch in the join of the extension tube, but when it is bent over you get a nice rounded spring end that is much less likely to snag. I shoot mostly just Winchester AAs, but the few times I had snagging issues it always turned out to be spring related, and it has never happened since I have started bending the ends like this.
Also, just make sure when you assemble that all the pieces are screwed in tightly. The first time I ever had an issue it turned out that the extension was not screwed tight enough into the tube nut, so, even though the tube nut was tight on the internal magazine, there was enough of a gap under the tube nut for that bare spring end to catch between the internal tube and the extension.
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PDQ seems like the best option, unless it may cause failure to lock back or premature lock-backs (?)
From a functional point of view, the main criticism of the BAD Lever seems to be the weight. The Phase 5 skeletonized 1-piece addresses some of that, though what weight there is still sits at the end of a lever arm, so I suppose could cause problems on a highly tuned (i.e., low margin of error) set up.
The PDQ should be lighter and is definitely more compact, so while it may still be possible for excess weight on the bolt catch to cause problems, I think the likelihood is even lower than the other options. I've personally never had lockback issues with any of them, and I have used all three (mostly BAD levers, one lower with a Phase 5, and now a limited number of rounds through the PDQ/Aero lowers).
By the way, the first place I ever saw one of these was on a prototype JP light rifle on display at the Rockcastle Pro-Am a couple years back. If the PDQ is good enough for JP (and, though I didn't think to ask at the time, if it was on a light rifle it probably had adjustable gas/LMOS) it should be good enough for just about anybody!
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I have a couple of Aero Precision Lowers that come with this pre-installed. I don't have a lot of rounds through them yet, but they seem to work very well. Since I like to lock bolts open on empty rifle starts, I am a big fan of something that lets me do that with my trigger finger. Also, this improves on the BAD/Phase 5 lever because it gets the extra manipulation up away from the trigger guard.
Problem with gas...
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Beano.
(Don't know if that answers your question; I just read the subject line...)