Thanks all for the info, I'll be off to the gun show in a little bit and will look for a Sierra Manual. Additionally, all my pistols are (with the exception of my python, diamondbacks, ruger mk3 and trooper) are 9mm. They consist of the sig p229 elites, sig p250, sig p239, sig p225, sig p228, a hk p30 and a sa emp. So the barrel lengths are going to vary. Most of the sig's withe the exception of the 225's and the 239 and hk p30 are similiar in barrel lengths, and the emp has a 3" barrel. Does this mean ideally I have to work up loads for each or just go with a good generic that I can load? I usually shoot wwb 115gr at the range....and yes, these will be for range use only. I seem to have fairly good luck with all my sig's and the wwb from wally world. I do however have fiocchi and remmington and some hd tactical ammo. I have a ccw but do not carry as of yet, it allows me to cut down the wait time when purchasing a new firearm.