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I've got a few photographs but not necessarly the ones to show off the stages. It's probably best to let Kurt, Trapr and Kelly comment on the match.
The match stats were:
14 stages, 199 rounds, shot in one day.
1 stage 24 rounds slugs
3 stages bird/buck mix - competitors choice - each with paper, metal and clay targets
10 stages birdshot only
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So Mike did you come in 2nd. which would make you the British champ. If this is the case congrats! Keith
Yes he did and yes it does.
The top 5 or 6 guys were in excellent form and set a very high standard.
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Confirmed! Kurt wins British Open
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A really tough match needed nothing short of excellence for Kurt to take an overnight lead from Mike Darby of the UK. Quite frankly he now looks unbeatable for this match.
More next week.
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The IPB software used on this site, the IPSC Global Village, the UKPSA and USPSA sites, can be had as a basic package at $10 per month including hosting. There is a $30 set up fee but in theory this can be waived in you opt to pay annually.
You can find some free options but I haven't found anything better than IPB. 1and1 offers an inclusive forum if you take out a hosting package.
The free software from bravenet.com is the worst I've had the misfortune to work with.
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The dafult with slug is to only count 1 hit, but the stage can specify 2 hits to count.
The default with buckshot is to count 2 hits per paper target even if only a single shot is fired.
- 9.5.1 Unless otherwise specified in the written stage briefing, scoring
paper targets must be shot with a minimum of one round each,
with the best hit to score in the case of slug ammunition or with
the best two hits to score in the case of buckshot ammunition, i.e.
the two highest scoring strikes of any pellets from any buckshot
rounds fired. Metal targets must fall to score. Frangible targets
must break with a visible piece missing or separated from the
original target to be counted for score.
- 9.5.1 Unless otherwise specified in the written stage briefing, scoring
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Trapr
The last I heard it had dropped to just 3 from the US. We also have a handful from European Regions.
So it will be mostly Brits and a select few!
When are you guys comming down to the match. I'm, there all 3 days.
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Brian
I'm not far from Gatwick but unfortunately I'm away on business for a few days before I set off for the match. I'm still working out my travel details but I may end up taking a van down to the match because I have a load of stuff to get there on behalf of IPSC, I'm still working on the details. What are your planned travel dates? There may be a possibility of a tie up?
I can also post something on the UKPSA forum to see if there are any spare seats heading out to the match. Quite a few guys will drive. It's about 1 hour to the Channel Tunnel from London, 1 1/4 hours to cross including check-in and then 9-11 hours of driving from Calais to the match.
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If you fly into UK then the gun cannot leave the airport. Guns are banned in England.
Just to clear up a potential mis-understanding - most handguns (small firearms) are banned. We have conventional shotguns, high capacity shotguns, and rifles.
We also have long barrelled revolvers (defined as carbines by some) and Shield Shooting Centre recently ran a handgun training course with these very same beasts. There will be further courses in due course. Every UK slot (22) for the forthcoming IPSC European HG Championships is taken and there's a waiting list.
So, guns are not banned en masse, only handguns and semi-auto rifles.
Travel tip for France: Fly into Lyon.Lyon is a *great* airport to get into and out of. Not a lot to do there, but for sheer convenience, it's my first choice.
Rent the car. If you're not going to be sitting in the same spot for four or five days in a row, it's by far the most convenient form of travel. I went through all the goofy ass fly here, train there, bus there, hitch a ride from there logistics with the place I went skiing at. I rented the car and was much happier for it.
You're not going into a black hole over there like everyone wants you to believe. It's really not a big deal.
Hi Eric
And the skiing's damn good too! Martin and Deidre say, "Hi!"
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A lot of lessons have been learned and this is a critical area to get right. There is a specific section on the draft website that discusses match ammo.
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Talked to the missus and and she said it would make a great vacation. We don't want to go all that way and then fly home right away. We would like to stay a few extra days and see the sights.
Did any of you that have gone before do this? How did you secure your guns while you saaw the sights? Did the match organizers make any sorts of arrangements to do this?
What do we have to do to get a slot?
Stew
Stew
There is a heap of stuff to do. If you're into diving there is some really good stuff up on the North Coast. Sightseeing was cheap and 3 of us hired a car and a guide for a day at about $30 each from memory. Certainly no more.
Every shooter is met at the airport, the organisers set up an IPSC desk at the airport. You are escorted to the Police office who were very friendly. A quick check of the guns and then transport takes you to your hotel. Your guns are transported by the police. The police organise armouries at the principal match hotels and you are required to deposit your guns in one of the armouries overnight. But this is a blessing in that it removes any worry. Ammo sales and registration were dealt with in a hotel function room. Match results were posted daily at the principal match hotel(s).
There is a lot of discussion over at the Global Village and Vince Pinto has just posted a link to an early draft of the match website. It has a heap of info including sightseeing stuff.
Have a look here: http://ipsc.invisionzone.com/index.php?showforum=81
and the website can be accessed from here: http://ipsc.invisionzone.com/index.php?showtopic=5529
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Congratulations to all involved in this match. By all accounts it was a cracker.
Ok! The dust has settled. So, divisions aside, were there any really signficant differences between the IPSC match and the USPSA match? How could they best be summarised?
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English was widely spoken and we had no communication difficulties whatsoever in 2004. The local people were a delight, very welcoming, respectful and polite.
The heat during the HG match was on the extreme side of things but there were ample shelters. It was overcast with slight occasional drizzle during the SG match. There was torrential rain on the morning of the shoot-offs.
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If you're asking about USPSA rules then NO, changing mag tubes during a match should not be allowed.
Rule 5.1.7 requires you to use the same shotgun throughout the match. Changing tubes would mean you no longer have the same shotgun.
Rule 5.1.8 reinforces this by stating:
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5.1.8 A competitor who substitutes or significantly modifies a shotgun and/or sights during a match without the prior approval of the Range Master will be subject to the provisions of Section 10.6.
Changing mag tubes as per your query gains a significant advantage and therefore falls foul of "significantly modifies".
Changing choke tubes is OK.
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5.1.8 A competitor who substitutes or significantly modifies a shotgun and/or sights during a match without the prior approval of the Range Master will be subject to the provisions of Section 10.6.
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A couple of additional pictures - a better one of the dragon - Start location - within the dragon's mouth; and an example of some of the Range Staff. Typically, each stage had 5-8 crew.
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All I can say is that if you get away and if you can get a slot don't hesitate. It was an excellent match and the Balinese people were excellent hosts. The range was something else.
With all hotels on the beach and all prices very cheap it makes for a great trip. Bring the family as well.
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Also, remember that everything is very expensive and your $10 will only be about 7.4 Pounds!
The conversion rate is correct but the currency should read Euros. Fortunately we (the Brits) haven't adopted Euros and the exchange rate in the UK would get you 5.05 GB pounds.
I have traveled through london airport with handguns and ammunition. and had no problems. First ocassion an unarmed cop checked the documentation and then I was escorted to my connecting flight by a airline rep. It actually speeded up the checkin time because they took me to the front of the queue.The cop explained that tecnically I shouldnt have the guns there but it happened regularly and as long as I was passing through and not stopping over all was well.
al
I really can'r recommend that. I've sent an email to a UK cop to ask him to post a reply here. Better to get it from the horse's mouth.
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Brian
Here are a couple of links that may be useful but in truth there are many:
http://www.drivingabroad.co.uk/content.asp...ce&navid=13
http://driving.drive-alive.co.uk/driving-in-france.htm
Be wary of: "Priorité à droite" the system changes in towns and out of towns almost as a random or local thing. The priority system in play is indicated by signs with a yellow diamond or a yellow diamond with a line through it. See:
http://www.bwam.org.uk/articles/in_france.php
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andPriorité a droite (priority to the right). The old priorité a droite rule on roundabouts has been rescinded. No open roads of any significance have Priorité a droite anymore, thank God. However, in built up areas you must give way to anyone coming out of a side turning on the right sometimes (depends whether there is white lines on the side road and/or a sign telling them they must give way). Confused? You will be...Flashing your lights. If you flash your lights in France, you are telling the other guy to get out of the way.
The most crucial difference for UK drivers is the priority to the right (priorité à droite) rule, whereby all traffic entering an intersection, including a T-junction, from a road on the right has priority.Look for signs saying Vous n'avez pas la priorité (you do not have priority), Cédez le passage (give way) or Passage protégé (no right of way).
This rule has been suspended on many main roads and larger roundabouts, so that cars already on the roundabout have right of way, and this is indicated by yellow diamond signs that appear at intersections and at frequent intervals along roads.
A diamond sign with a black bar through it indicates that priorité à droite has been reinstated and you do not have right of way.
If an oncoming driver flashes their headlights at you it is to indicate that they have priority, not to let you through.
In smaller towns and rural areas there may be a lack of road markings, in which case you will be expected to give way to traffic coming from the right.
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It does make you wonder just how they handle the Brits and the French rocketing through the Chunnel, headed at each other, in the SAME LANE!
Actually it's not so difficult and if you make the trip often enough the swap-over is easy. I guess the most difficult thing to master is roundabouts.
I went over to Le Touquet in France for lunch last Saturday. Travelled via ferry on the way out and back via Eurotunnel. It took just 3 hours 5 mins to make the return journey, door to door. I go to matches in the UK that take me longer than that.
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Brian
Sorry, but DO NOT travel via Heathrow if you're bringing a handgun (or any shotgun with a barrel length less than 24 inches). As I understand things you will have major aggro and it'll be the last time you see your gun.
It sucks but there it is.
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I'm really old fashioned and still load one by one from an elasticated loop belt at waist level. I'm totally convinced that Kurt's method is faster and arguably the fastest of any of the various methods. One day soon I'm going to have to commit to making the change but hate the thought of going backwards for a while and I have quite small hands which makes it tougher for me to grab 4 shells at a time.
I haven't tried the drill posted here but can give some times for some other drills.
Starting with the gun at waist level - Load 6, shoot 6 plates in 6.32 is my best but 7 to 7.5 is fairly standard.
This pans out to load 10, shoot 10 in 10.8 with first shot at 8.3. I'm sure I should be doing this sub 10 seconds but I don't have any other records.
Trouble is for me is I'm not shooting enough now and I'm slowing down but that's life!
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All right, at least one familiar name.
Neil, look forward to actually meeting you (BTW, did you approve Uncle Vinnie's travel to the US?
)Heard rumors of several other US shooters heading over, so hope to see you there!
Likewise, Brian. There will be a few others you shoud know as well. Vince will be there of course, and also Myro, Kees Guichelaar (RM) and Luca (I'm fairly sure) and probably a few others.
I know Vince is looking forward to his trip to Jeff's match. That should be intetresting!
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IPSC Style Shotgun Matches
in Multi-Gun, Rifle & Shotgun Match Announcements
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It would appear that there are some differences between IPSC flavour and US flavour shotgun matches. In conversation at the recent British Open SG match someone commented (I don't recall who) that the stage types, particularly those incorporating tight no-shoots, may not be popular with some shooters in the US.
As I understand it US matches are more open, more centred on speed and less centred on technical stages. IPSC matches are (arguably) more technical, have a greater accuracy requirement (Kelly commented that he found he had to aim more) and employ no-shoots more frequently. I apologise if these statements are inaccurate. I assure you they are not intended to be inflamatory, I'm simply fact finding.
So .................
Would IPSC style matches be welcome? Would they be supported?
I am mindful of the HUGE success of the recent Targeting Education IPSC Handgun match. The IPSC match was very well received and sat very happily alongside the USPSA match. I would like to see that success extended to Shotgun and Rifle matches as well.
Personally, it is my belief that all shooting should be good shooting and I guess provided that any such match is properly described then at least there shouldn't be much room for complaint.
What say you?