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Barry Ellis is the most awesome CRO ever, even if his shot timer holds eight-track cassette tapes.
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Cool props. (Who does all the prop design.)
"Devious" Lee "Rat Bastard 2.5" Leonard does the stage layout. The stuff that looks like theater stage props actually are recycled theater stage props. Lee, Ed Basham, Dan Schwegman, Charlie, Carl (only 78 yrs old), Ed (the ATA guy), J. Haas and many others that I regret omitting have literally worked *seven days a week for months* building those stages and improving the grounds and berms. I hope that they all take a much deserved rest. These folks have put an incredible amount of time and energy into improving our club, which we are so fortunate to have.
We're all glad that you had a good time. I hope that we can do it again next year, even bigger and even better.
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Great stages and a fun match. Best shooting value of the season. $25 and 9 stages.
Funny thing happened on the way to the match this morning. I was on State Road 60 between Salem and Mitchell and four people on motorcycles went the other way all wearing halloween masks. I hope nothing got robbed in Salem this morning. I decided not to call and report it. That sort of thing is unusal in Central Indiana, but I was not sure about southern Indiana.
You were in Southern Indiana, alright. Those weren't halloween masks!
We've posted the final results here: http://www.silvercreekcc.org/PlasticFantas...7PF_Results.htm
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Thank all of you for the props. We enjoyed having you and are looking forward to hosting tomorrow's competitors.
We've posted today's preliminary results here (and on the bulletin board at the clubhouse):
http://www.silvercreekcc.org/PlasticFantas...2007Prelims.htm
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domzilla9,
A couple of us are thinking about coming over from the Dayton, Ohio area to your match.
We would just be driving over in the morning since your match don,t start until 10:30.
Would It be all right to just walk up and pay the day that we shoot?
Are both days still open?
Thanks,
Jspruance
Yes, Saturday and Sunday are both open. Hope to see you then.
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Thanks RB-2.5
New Plastic Fantastic Registration form attached, improved with new line to indicate which day (pick one) that you want to shoot the match!
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Thank you Chris.
New Plastic Fantastic Registration form attached, improved with new line to indicate which day (pick one) that you want to shoot the match!
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Sorry about that, fat fingers.
Domzilla,
How will registration be handled?
Will you have to pre register or will it just be a walk up, pay your money, get squadded and shoot?
Hope to see more details soon.
Sounds like fun.
Thanks,
JFS
You can pre-register using the attached form or you can show up and pays your money. We encourage you to preregister because we're afraid that it may fill up. See the thread that I posted at: http://www.brianenos.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=53582
There will be no pre-match date squadding available. Squadding will be done on a first come, first serve basis.
I'm guessing, though, that Plastic Fantastic means that Para LDA's, Sigs, CZ's and Beretta's need not apply?AFAIK, Para doesn't make a gun with a plastic frame.
SigSauer makes the SP2022, which has a polymer frame
CZ makes the CZ100, which has a polymer frame
Beretta makes the 90-Two, the PX4 and the 9000 with polymer frames.
Kimber, BUL and Wilson Combat make 1911s with polymer frames
Update: STI frames (lowers) are steel, their grip housing is plastic. STIs will not be allowed in this competition.
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As promised, here are the final details on "Plastic Fantastic" match that will be held in October at SilverCreek, on the same weekend that the canceled KY Sectional was schedules. The match will run both Saturday and Sunday. Please send your registration forms in when you can (see attached form and stage descriptions) because we expect this match to fill up. Thanks! Dominic
Silver Creek's Plastic Fantastic 2007
Dates: Saturday October 13th and Sunday October 14th.
Registration opens at 9AM EST. Start by 10:30AM, end at 3:30PM both days.
Location: Silver Creek Conservation Club in Sellersburg, IN.
Details & Requirements:
- Pistols with plastic lowers only: Any make or action type allowed. Any pistol caliber 9mm or larger.
- Otherwise all holster, magazine capacity (10rds max in magazine), modification and scoring (all calibers score as Minor) rules follow the USPSA Production Division rules.
- High-Cap magazines must be downloaded to 10+1 rounds.
- No comps, ports, electronics, optics or magazine wells allowed.
- 9 stages and a Chronograph (minimum 125PF required) 250-300 rounds
- $25 per Adult or $10 per Junior entrance fee (includes raffle entry, if held).
- Compete in one of three divisions: Full Size, Compact or Subcompact. All divisions use the same rules for scoring, holsters, magazines, etc.
Three guns will be awarded!
The 1st Place Winner in each division with four or more competitors will be awarded a gun. Any remaining guns will be raffled to competitors, with each competitor receiving one raffle ticket. You may only shoot this match once (no multiple entries in different divisions). Awards will be given on Sunday evening, including plaques for High Lady, High Junior, etc. This is not a USPSA Event.
Please direct all questions to Lee Leonard at leedvc@sbcglobal.net
PDFs of the registration form and the stage descriptions are attached to this message.
Thank you,
Dominic Bosco
Silver Creek Conservation Club & Hidden Hills Practical Shooters
- Pistols with plastic lowers only: Any make or action type allowed. Any pistol caliber 9mm or larger.
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I like the idea of a match that allows all types of guns, but I'm afraid if you score everything minor that not many people will show up.
I hear ya. I raised that concern but I've been told that the last time we held a plastic fantastic (which was, apparently, a success) no body had problems with scoring minor. Bring your softball loads and have at it with your .40 or .45.
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So instead of having a Ky state match your going to have a production only match? WTF?
IDEA!
Instead of a plastic only match score it like steel challenge. Either Limited or Open and all minor.
Don't shoot the messenger.
A KY state sectional match has to be sanctioned by USPSA and a "Plastic Fantastic" match doesn't. This is not a USPSA event. Basically this is a way to still have a match of some kind and salvage the work that was done for the canceled sectional.
From what I've gleaned from searching online and talking with other people this isn't entirely without precedent. Making the match a "Plastic Fantastic" with plastic lowers only is an obvious way to differentiate it from a USPSA event. I believe that USPSA would be unhappy if its clubs held "USPSA-like" events that were not sanctioned by them and I wouldn't blame them if they were.
Your suggestion about "steel challenge" scoring with Limited and Open divisions echoes my own. We'll have to wait a day or two to see what the management comes up with.
Did I mention that we're awarding guns?
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We're definitely on for a Plastic Fantastic match on Sunday October 14th. No sense in wasting all that work that was done prepping for the canceled KY Sectional. All I can tell you right now is that the reg fee will be $25, there will be 9 to 10 stages + a chronograph and that we'll be giving away three guns. Plastic lowers only, everything scored minor. 250-300 rds required. More to be announced later.
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I don't understand that at all. They have a lot of the stages built up and supposedly the workers to work it?
Lee Leonard's announcement:
unforeseen events have made it impossible for me to put on the quality match that you shooters expect, therefore we are calling the match off,,,,,,,,sorry for any inconvenience,,,,,all checks will be returned.......Lee LeonardC, I share your frustration and disappointment. A lot of people have worked hard in preparation for this match. The committed staff was more than adequate to cover ten stages. I chose to not comment on the reasons for the cancellation. However, I will say that it has been great working with Lee Leonard and Christa Toby and the other core workers at Silver Creek and Hidden Hills and look forward to helping them organize events in the future.
I'm very new to USPSA and have never participated in a level two match. My role in organizing this even has been strictly to help out with the "internet" side of it and run stats.
Some of you have asked me about refunds. If anyone has questions about refunds of registration fees paid they can contact me and I will gladly do what I can to expedite your refund. However, I fully expect that you will receive your refunds quickly and that no checks received have even been cashed.
Thanks, Dominic Bosco
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I sent my application in last week. I'm not being pushy but anyone know when we will get confirmation? I want to make sure I don't miss out!
Dcarter - pls pm me your name and zipcode and I'll look up your reg info and let you know. Thanks for signing up! Dom
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Per Event Coordinator Lee Leonard, this match will NOT be revolver neutral, contrary to what is advertised above. Thanks, Dom
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All RO slots are now filled. Thanks!
Pierce195 - you should have an email confirming receipt of your registration and funds. Match Director Harry Sublett has promised to send an email confirming receipt of registrations this weekend.
Steel1212 - I am hoping to have the match booklet online by Sept 14th. I haven't seen it yet, but I know that it's in the final stages of production. I'll do everything I can to get it online asap.
And regarding squading: we have no means of providing "online" squading on a website at this time. However, you may pm me a list of names and USPSA nums and I personally make sure that the squad lists are given directly to the Match Director.
Thanks, Dom
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I googled the barrel for a half-hour as well. Anyone?
I think KKM is still making a Hybrid glock barrel but I dunno about anyone else
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I have been shooting a G22 open gun with a Caspian/Shuemann hybrid barrel for about 5 years now. 10,000+ rounds without any problems with the gun. Have a Vanek trigger in the plastic gun, but move to a CCF frame (2K+ rounds to date without a problem) this year.
Here's a few pix of the CCF version and one of the polymer frame version along with my G24 40 open gun (converting to 9 major as you read this). Slides are from Glock, Millenium-Kr nickle plated, modified by High-Gear Race Guns (port holes, extended slide opening on G24, fit JPoint sites to slide).
Wow, those are some sweet looking blasters - perfectly suited for my taste! Have you had any problem with the major PF and your JPoints? Anything special done to the Jpoints to help them hold up to the recoil?
The High-Gear Race Gun site that I found is http://highgearraceguns.com
I've googled, but I can't find anything on the Caspian/Schuemann hybrid barrels. And man, the Caspian Arms website truly sucks.
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After having read all I can about trigger jobs on the web, I've polished all trigger group, stoned contact points, still, I've a trigger break that's mushy and far too long to have accuracy on small plates far away, and for real accurate shots.
The production rule in Italy states that we can not have trigger weights less than 6lbs (2.5kg) for the first shot. That suck bad for a glock shooter.
I need some suggestion on how to reduce SAFELY the pretravel on my g17, and also how to have a CRISP and short letoff.
I have read all about competition trigger jobs, but nothing that can help me having a crisp, short, but relatively HEAVY trigger.
Any info really appreciated,thanks!
Options you may consider:
1. Install a 8.5lb connector, or
2. Leave the stock 5.5lb connector and install a NY1 trigger spring
I've fooled around with combinations of different connector weights and the NY1 trigger spring. I got the best results from the 5.5lb connector and the NY1 trigger spring with the coil spring removed from the plastic leaf spring. However, I've reverted all of my Glocks (competition and carry) to stock trigger configs with only very light polishing and no significant modification.
There are several things holding me back from moving up a class in USPSA production division. My glock trigger's pre-travel and breaking weight are least of my concerns.
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I sent my app in a few weeks ago. Will someone email to confirm that it was received?
Pierce195. please pm me your complete name, zip code and email addy and I'll get a confirmation of receipt of your registration and email you. I am going to send a note to Lee tonight to volunteer to email out confirmations to folks who have already registered.
Steel - There will be no online squadding (next year there will, I promise) this year. I will find out for certain if the match diagrams/booklet will be available online before the match.
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I'd much rather have 8-10 good stages than 12-15 that have 2 or 3 classifiers or just standards to get the stage/round count up.
Confirmed with Lee Leonard 9/3: The match will be held as scheduled on October 12-14th. There will be 10 stages and the match will require 250-300 rounds to complete.
Everyone, I do apologize for the confusion that my earlier posts on this thread have caused. I greatly appreciate the input that I've received from members of this board regarded the posted the match information and the help they've given me in clarifying some of the information that I've muddled. So here's an update:
(updated 9/3)
Three things:
1. Match Information
2. Staff Information
3. Hotel Information
1. Match Information
Dates: October 12th, 13th, 14th of 2007 (one day format, pick a day to shoot)
Location: Silver Creek Conservation Club
Click here to get a copy of the registration form and print a copy to mail in with your match fee. Please remember to pick the day that you want to shoot the match.
USPSA Juniors shoot FREE when accompanied by a paying adult competitor!
The Match will be run on a one day format. In other words, each shooter will complete the match in one day.
The match will consist of 10 stages and require 250 to 300 rounds to complete.
This match is TOTALLY revolver neutral!
2. Staff Information
Staff Registration:
USPSA certified ROs get a free registration for The Championship. Non-certified ROs register for The Championship for half price ($40). The staff shoot will be held on Friday afternoon. We ask all certified ROs, non-certified ROs and other match staff to shoot the match on the afternoon/evening of Friday the 12th if possible.
Any staff member (non-certified RO or cook, target paster, steel setter,etc.) who commits to working all three days of the match can register for the Championship for $20.00; i.e if you’re a non-certified RO and you commit to work all three days, your registration fee for the Championship is only $20.00. Any staff that can’t shoot on Friday or who are working all three days will be run through the stages on Saturday on Sunday, 2-3 stages at a time, as work schedules permit and will be RO’d by Lee Leonard, our Event Coordinator. You may only shoot this match once.
Staff Accommodations:
Certified ROs get a free (shared) hotel room for Friday and/or Saturday night. All volunteer staff (including target pasters, steel setters, and stats runners, etc.) eat for free.
There will be an RO prize table that is separate from Championship prize table. Certified ROs and non-certified ROs will each receive one ticket for a blind raffle for each day that they work, up to three.
As of 9/3 we still have a few staff positions that need to be filled. If you want to volunteer and help us make this the best match possible, please send email to:
Lee Leonard, Event Coordinator at leedvc AT sbcglobal DOT net or
Harry Sublett, Match Director at pvraone AT aol DOT com
3. Hotel Information
Match Hotel:
Ramada Inn & Suites
360 Triangle Drive
Sellersburg, IN 47172
(812) 246.3131
Mention KY STATE CHAMPIONSHIP for special rate.
Other Hotels Nearby:
Comfort Inn
111 Enterprise Way
Sellersburg, IN 47172
Conveniently located 10 minutes from downtown Louisville, the Kentucky Derby at Churchill Downs, Louisville Airport, Kentucky Kingdom, Louisville Expo, etc.
Days INN
7618 old State Rd 60
Sellersburg, IN 47172
This Days Inn is located approximately 15 miles from Louisville International Airport and 17 miles from Caesar's Riverboat Casino.
Thank you,
Dominic Bosco
Statistician for Hidden Hills Practical Shooters and Silver Creek Conservation Club
For more information go to http://www.hhpsi.com
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Yes, go with the 10 stages. This will be the last big match I can attend this year and I really want to go. Don't cancel! I will be sending in my app and fee today.
Thanks for the input guys. Keep it coming, yay or nay. I will pass these initial comments on to the Event Coordinator and Match Director today. We are all very confident that the ten stage match will be a success but we were concerned because we had promised 12 to 15.
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I heard a rumor that it might be canceled or postponed due to lack of staff
to run this match. IS there Any truth to this?
Royce, staff will shoot on the afternoon of Friday the 12th. Any staff that can't make the shoot on Friday afternoon/evening will shoot on Sat or Sun as time and work load allows.
Regarding the rumor of cancellation: We don't have enough certified ROs to do the 12 to 15 stages that we originally planned. So we're going to do 10 instead and keep the round count at 250-300. Anyone who has paid and is disappointed by this change will receive a refund.
See my post, #32 on this thread for the latest match information. It should clear up some of the confusion that I caused.
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Call for Volunteers! Please let us know if you can help out!
October is almost here and we need USPSA certified ROs and CROs to help officiate the 2007 Kentucky Section Championship, which will be held at Silver Creek Conservation Club in Sellersburg Indiana.
We have 18 range officer openings openings that we need to fill asap. CRO's shoot the match for free and RO's shoot for half price ($40). Certified CROs and ROs from out of town get a free hotel room (shared) on Saturday night. The "RO Match" will be held on Friday of the match weekend. Anyone working the match is welcome to shoot the RO Match for free. Certificates will be awarded for the winners of the RO match.
There will be an RO prize table. All prizes donated by sponsors will be given away to match staff by blind raffle. All ROs will receive a raffle ticket for each match day they work, up to three.
In addition to Range Officers, we need folks to help with setting up and tearing down stages, running stats, registering shooters, chronographing and preparing food.
All volunteer staff eat for free. Any Match worker who works the entire three days of the match will be able to enter the actual Section Championship Match for prestige if they wish for only a $20.00 fee. This makes them eligible for trophies, plaques and Title.
If you want to volunteer and help us make this the best match possible, please send email to:
Lee Leonard, Event Coordinator at leedvc AT sbcglobal DOT net or
Harry Sublet, Match Director at pvraone AT aol DOT com
or PM me, Dominic Bosco
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