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5 hours ago, broadside72 said:
The P10F will eat most anything, so you can run nearly any load/recipe that makes power factor.
I run 4.6gr CFE Pistol with 125gr RN Bear Creek Supply polycoated (they are a few miles from me so I can go pick up and not pay shipping on an order of 15k) set to 1.09" OAL. Yes they are set short but they also run in my Bull Shadow 2 which needs the shorter length, as well as my SP01 and P10C all making PF.
100%
CFE Pistol and Win AutoComp are great choices for making PF with ease without pushing the top end of the load range.
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17 hours ago, Raz22582 said:
Recently switched to a p10f for carry optic looking for some load info to tryout. Thanks for any help guys
This is not that complicated. Pick any 125 bullet, any fast or medium burning powder, random brass, and whatever primers you can find a good deal on. Mix enough powder to make 130 - 135 PF. Go shoot.
I'm partial to conical nose bullets because they feed like s#!t through a goose and are almost never an issue with CZ's short throats.
I would not waste time on any further load development. The guys looking for 1" groups at 25 yards are wasting time and money on stuff that doesn't matter in this game.
Make something that runs reliably, makes PF with some room to spare, that has acceptable accuracy at 25 yards (less than 3"), and then make s#!tloads of it to learn the gun.
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2 hours ago, MikeBurgess said:
The thing is if I shoot LO with my G17 MOS with a connector and lighter recoil spring or my 2011 with a magwell heavy frame and SA trigger my actual scores will be indistinguishable.
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21 hours ago, Jim Watson said:
I don't remember seeing anybody NOT using the dot housing as a cocking handle.
I rarely see someone use it that way, and then mostly women or kids with little hand strength.
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1 hour ago, lroy said:
Idpa allows $6000 2011s with comps. Lol
IDPA jumped the shark long ago.
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1 hour ago, whan said:
I think it would be interesting making "CO" a division that actually uses guns you'd carry by requiring it to fit in a box with an optic cutout and a 38oz weight limit.
It's been tried before. As soon as Stock IIs and Shadow 2s made the production list they became the go tos and plastic guns became what noobs shot until they went away or got wise.
I do agree with the box. CO guns should fit in a production box with a slot for the optic.
Even before Shadow 2s were a thing a slicked up SP-01 was 40 -42 oz out of the box and they were production legal forever.
IDPA is the place to shoot "real" carry guns.
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On 4/3/2023 at 12:38 PM, whan said:
make CO more like IPSC Production Options Light
I somehow missed that part. That's a hard no.
PO Light is dead in IPSC. Giving CO a similar weight limit would kill it here too. Lots of CO shooters with pistols straight off the Production list don't want to end up in LO because of a BS weight limit that nobody wants.
The CO weight limit should be what's in the production list for a particular pistol plus 3 or 4 ounces to account for the optic and any plate/adapter. Why wasn't it that way from the beginning, instead of the dumb, arbitrary weight limits it got over the years, I'll never know.
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17 hours ago, RJH said:
Saw a post on Facebook earlier about the bluegrass classic, which is apparently a major low cap match. The post mentions that they've had several people drop out in the match can barely break even at this point and they are hoping for more competitors.
That match is semi local (3 hrs) for me. It's sort of a resurrection of the Battle In The Bluegrass which was a pretty heavily attended Production/Single Stack match at that club. The BiTBG lasted ten years with 2019 the last match I can find records of.
https://practiscore.com/results/new/78817
Someone else mentioned the entry fee/staff reset of the new Bluegrass LoCap Classic. I seriously doubt attendance would have been any better if the fee was 120 - 140 bucks.
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1 hour ago, whan said:
Here's my take as someone who spent his first 2.5 years in USPSA solely focused on SS (Minor), and switched to CO in the last 8 months as primary division. FWIW I'm A in both so have spent some decent time but not nearly as much as some others
There's 3 main reasons for the drop in participation in my opinion:
- Shooting hicap is just flat out easier. Stage planning is far more straightforward, and allows you to be much more aggressive in movement and shooting with more makeups available. Of course all your competitors have the same advantage, but this makes you feel better about your shooting, and you also place much higher in Overalls
- CO has provided a place to shoot Hicap with relatively affordable and attainable gear. Before CO, it was mostly limited and open, both of which mainly used custom guns and required reloading ammo
- Most local matches are designed for hicap shooters - this is sort of an extension of point 1 but a lot of stages aren't designed with having a good number of reload spots in mind. This increases the stage planning stress and makes just not having to worry about it in hicap more enjoyable
As a whole, I would say it would make sense to bump production to 15 rounds, keep LO as its current provisional ruleset, make CO more like IPSC Production Options Light (weight limit, 15 rounds), and then just roll all locap into Limited 10, with 10 round minor/8 round major.
15 rounds is a noticeably different game than 10 rounds, while also being different from 140mm. The way current stages are designed it would allow for shooting of multiple positions without reloading, but also still require some planning to that affect. A nice middle ground in terms of stage planning - don't have to plan a ton of reloads, but also not as simple as 140mm where it's just 1 reload for the entire stage
Gonna agree 100%
As an aside I did some analysis of rule changes and comments and one thing that struck me as incredibly dumb is how weight limits have been handled throughout CO's short history.
It's as if no one looked at the Production list's weights and thought....."hmmm we should keep those weights and give a reasonable (3-4 oz) allowance for the optic and any mounting plate/adapter in the division's appendix. That would have completely avoided the stupid rule allowing slide milling to make the arbitrary 45 oz CO weight and the even dumber subsequent 59 oz blanket for both divisions.
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On 3/31/2023 at 10:19 AM, Nick_shoots_fast said:
So I can just polish off the nitride to reveal a shiny metal correct? I thinking the nitride won’t be as slick as a mirror polish shine. I maybe wrong
You should do your research about what nitriding is and is not. It's certainly not a coating. And simple polishing compound will not put a dent in steel that has been nitrided. The surface hardness of most nitrided steels is in the range of 50 to 60 points on the Rockwell C scale, which is pretty damned hard.
Having said that, the effective case depth of typical nitrided steel is somewhere in the .010" to .020" range. So you can polish an already relatively smooth nitrided surface, fFor example going from a 100 microinch surface roughness to a 30 microinch roughness without damaging the hard case provided you have the right abrasive.
Given your level of knowledge (from what you've said in this thread) I recommend you leave all this alone.
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18 minutes ago, motosapiens said:
IMHO the best path forward is to put on 1 or 2 lo-cap only matches every year. Here in Idaho we have the Hawktech 1911 match (outlaw match, big stages, 1911's only, 8 rounds only) in a few weeks, so you often see a few more people shooting USPSA with their SS rigs in the month before the match.
Maybe that will work in sparsely populated states with few options.
The same thing was tried in Michigan starting in 2021 (The Mitten Match) and it didn't make it to 2023. And that's even with the 2022 edition having locap on day 1 and hicap on day 2. Before you think it died because the match sucked, it didn't. I shot it in 2021 and it was a really fun match with killer stages. The guys at Brooklyn Sportsmans Club know how to put on a good match. Many MI Sectionals have been there as well as this year's Area 5.
The guys who run USPSA at Bluegrass Sportsmens League in KY are going to try the same thing this year. I hope it lasts longer but I'm not betting on it.
Truth be told, if CO was 10 or 15 rounds I'd shoot it. But since there's no optics locap in the States any more, I won't be shooting locap.
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1 hour ago, zzt said:
If you want to change from 10 it should be load to capacity.
C class dude that's never shot locap. Opinion noted and ignored.
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When my match gun and carry gun were the same type, I always had a back up in the car. Now that they're aren't I don't.
Not too concerned about it this year because my match gun is both relatively new and well vetted.
But something to think about for majors next year. The cheapest alternative is to finish building a belt for one of the other full-size pistols I already have and take it, the gun, and the magazines in a second bag. Or buy a second S2 and optic.
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1 hour ago, zzt said:
Since OEM mags hold 17, go with load to capacity. Then with 18 to start you have two makeup rounds.
Serious question, when was the last time you bought a full size service pistol?
CZ P-10F: 19 rounds
CZ P-09: 19 rounds
CZ SP-01: 18 rounds
CZ SP-01 Phantom: 18 rounds
Walther PDP Full Size: 18 rounds
Beretta M9A3 and A4: 18 rounds
And probably a few more I don't know about
My Shadow 2 as it came from CZ: three 19 round magazines
IPSC already tried the "fill up the OEM mags" in Production a long time ago and found out how easily it got gamed to make all but a few pistols non-competitive. Those who don't know history are bound to repeat the same mistakes. Or said another way, wise men learn from others' mistakes, fools have to learn them over and over.
That's where the 15 round limit came from.
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8 minutes ago, zzt said:
I don't get this Lo Cap = 15 rounds nonsense.
Try IPSC.
Maybe that's where it comes from.
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1 hour ago, RJH said:
I like some single stack, but hate that no one else shoots it. In fact the last 2 matches I was at with about 75 shooters total only 5 shot any locap at all and 3 were shooting revolver for "fun" lol.
So the question is, is there a way to get people to shoot locap, and still keep it locap?
I thought combining sounded good for a while, but hell, there ain't nothing to combine lol.
Another way to to ask is, is there anything that would get you to shoot locap?
And by locap I mean 10 rounds, or 10 minor 8 major
Locap = 15 rounds
We have extra low cap in the US and nobody wants it any more.
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On 3/31/2023 at 12:45 PM, RclaroR said:
Hi, my name is Rodrigo and I live in Chile.
Las year was my first season shooting IPSC, I whoot standard with an STI Legion in .40. Really love this gun, wonderful trigger and very precise (more than what I can shoot by far).
Since I just turned 50, I'm in the process of buying a Tanfo Stock 2 optic ready, to change to the production optics division for the next year. Have read lots of posts regarding this gun, that the trigger out of the box is bad and that it needs parts and tunning. Just wondering what would be the order in which you would recommend this tunnig, what to change first and what can wait till later.
Best regards
Rodrigo
Bienvenido. Ve este video en el que esa pistola es examinada y comparada. Me parece que, por lo menos las que son importadas a los EE UU, llegan listas para competir sin necesidad de modificaciones.
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19 hours ago, Seoderus said:
What makes the TF extensions better? after some broken TTI time to explore other options
They attach via a screw that acts as a rear stop instead of a plunger that depends on a tiny roll pin and a flimsy spring. Drop mags with Henning extensions enough and the aluminum channel that the plunger rides in will get chewed up and jam the plunger.
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On 3/27/2023 at 8:46 PM, ringram said:
So I see both of these guys do kits.
Anyone got feedback on which one is best for reliability, ease of reload, plus mag stuffing etc?
Thanks
No experience with MBX but between Rune and Grams, Rune every day and twice on Sunday.
Between Henning and TF extensions, TF every day and twice on Sunday
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On 2/13/2023 at 9:28 AM, Superkaratemonkeyfighter said:
so how many here would change from CO to LO ? it.
There will be a rush of D and C class guys who think SAO + dot + minor + magwell will be the ticket
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On 2/13/2023 at 7:35 PM, RJH said:
I see 2011 minor guns at just about every match I shoot. Sometimes several. Lack of Sao minor guns won't be an issue
Maybe where you live. Around here only a few instagram bros show up with theirs and usually leave with their tail between their legs.
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This thing does the same thing, and draws as easily, with as much or more adjustabiity for 70 bucks less
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14 minutes ago, Zahnarzt said:
This isn’t helpful at all.
What’s your point about the mounting of the optic? If the screws aren’t loose and there is no sign of movement of the red dot sight, then why would you think the mount was bad?How do you know the optic isn't moving? Did you put a test indicator to it to make sure?
It takes just a few thousands of an inch of movement or shift at the optic to radically change your POI. You can't even feel .001 - .003 inch of movement.
But hey the screws are tight so that can't be it.
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2 hours ago, Zahnarzt said:
Is it common to need to re-sight in red dot optics often?
On a recent range trip, I noticed the red dot sights on 3 of my pistols were not zeroed, whereas they had been fine the last time these 3 were fired at the range maybe a month ago. The first is a Holosun 507K on an Sig P365XL. The second is a Vortex Venom on a Walther Q5 SF. And the third is a Vortex Venom on an HK VP9L.
All 3 have the optics mounted on the slide. I haven’t noticed any issues with the mounting screws loosening. None of them were dropped.
They all seem to have a consistent issue. Point of impact is lower than point of aim, by a significant amount.
At first I thought maybe I was just having a bad day with accuracy and my trigger control was haphazard. But my wife who is a decent shooter had the same issue to about the same degree. So there’s a chance we were both having a bad day with accuracy, but I really doubt it.
What’s also strange is as I attempt to re-sight in the optics, I reach the limit of the optic in how far I can adjust.
Any thoughts/help is much appreciated.Either whoever mounted your optics did a terrible job or you're the unluckiest guy alive.
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How much should they spend on Nationals and Travel? What is a level of spending that is proportionate to the benefits that USPSA provides members and clubs?
When people come to me with these types of complaints at work my answer is the same: don't bring me problems unless you're also bringing a solution.