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seams to shoot lower than the smokeless. I do not own any "Chrono" equipment nor do I have access to any. Pyrodex RS ffg.

I actually loaded 50 cartridges and fired about 20 of them. There was about 2/3 to 1/2 the kick of a normal cartridge and lots of smoke. Accuracy wasn't the best but I just need to sight in my scope. the cartidges burn hotter than the smokeless powder. For plinking it was much more enjoyable.

Hodgdon's second reply Subject: RE: Reloading with black powder Date: Tue, 15 Oct 2002 09:52:04 -0500 From: "Help Account" <Hpchelp@hodgdon.com> To: flinx The second 30 in 30/30 has nothing to do with a powder measurement. It means that the smokeless powder used in the 30/30 was equivalent to 30 gr of blackpowder. It does not mean that the case will hold 30 gr of blackpowder. Phil gave you the correct recipe for using blackpowder or one of the replacements in the 30/30. It is the same recipe used in all cartridges with all bullet weights. Fill the case with blackpowder or substitute to a point that will allow the base of the bullet to compress the powder about 1/8" when the bullet is seated. It is this simple. I stand corrected on some points vindicated on others. For those interested in this topic it is continued at: http://www.sassnet.com/cgi-bin/ubbcgi/ulti...=2&t=050062

Thank you I will.

Ok. You tell me I can't do it Hodgdon Says I can. I read all over the internet that people do it and do it safely. I have no intension of blowing myself up or have my last words be "HEY ya'll Watch this!" The 30-30 was originally a black powder load. It supposedly had 30 grains of black powder in it. Black powder is supposed to develop less pressure. Hence one never substitutes smokeless in their black powder firearm. But one can substitute black powder in their smokeless firearm (except a semi auto). However said cartridge cannot have an air space and the powder must be under slight compression. I read all over the internet how to load ones .45, 9mm, .44, straight necked and many conical cartridges with black powder. It was done before it can be done again. If I can find the information. Since the 30-30 was supposedly loaded with 30 grains of powder and was not supposed to have an air space then either someone has lied about the powder size or the powder measure has changed. I am using a black powder measure. I have a colt 1851 Navy replica in .44. it uses a maximum powder load of 30 grains. I measure 30 grains and dump it into a 30-30 cartridge and come up with extra space. Why? I have read that modern day black powder cartridge shooters use shirtboard, milk carton cardboard, or leather to make a their wad and in some cases they even use corn meal to take up the extra space if a load is to hot. Most web sites that have info on black powder reloading say reloading the 30-30 with black powder can be done but so far I haven't found a single web page that says exactly how. here is Hodgdon's reply to an e-mail I sent them: Subject: RE: Reloading with black powder Date: Mon, 14 Oct 2002 07:49:17 -0500 From: "Help Account" <Hpchelp@hodgdon.com> To: flinx You can use the Pyrodex in your 30/30, just simply compress the powder with the base of the bullet (1/16 to 1/8&quot. Thanks, Phil Hodgdon One would assume he means fill it up. But we all know what happens when one assumes. My reply 17:45 10-14-02: That's the problem 30 grains (black powder measure) doesn't fill the cartridge to the base of the bullet. I would have to put 38 grains to get about 1/8" compression. Is 38 grains safe for a 170 grain Hornandy flat nose? No reply as of this evening. I got the concept that if this is done wrong I go BOOM. Now please instruct me on how to do it right.

Pyrodex is what I am using. I happen to like the smoke. It's something different. Because I can. I realize it may be dangerous that is why I am consulting all the great and wonderful bounty of knowledge on the internet.

After much research on the Internet I found that this can be done but there are several questions I can't find answers for. Can I use standard copper jacketed bullets? I have Hornandy FP 170 grain bullets. How much powder should I use? What type of wadding should I use for 30-30 Does the black powder put less pressure on these cartridges? Everything I read says that the powder must be under slight compression (about 1/8') and that the 30-30 Winchester used 30 grains of powder. When I measure out 30 grains of powder using a black powder measure it does not fill the cartridge up to where the base of the bullet would be. it leaves about 8 grains of space. Can I safely use this cartridge with a 38 grain load? As this is a conical cartridge I don't think using cardboard would work to well as wadding. I have read that some people use corn meal to fill the remaining space. Any help would be appreciated.

I recently purchased a replica colt 1851 Navy revolver. I like the the dramatic smoke of black powder and was wondering if I can use black powder in place of smokeless powder. I have a 30 30 that I reload with IMR 4064 I use a lee loader that has a 30 grain scoop. I use 170 grain flat nose bullets. I would like to reload the 30 30 with pyrodex black powder. I know you can't use smokeless in place of black powder (because it expands to fast) but I can't find anyone who says not to use black powder in place of smokeless. If I can do this what amount of powder would I use for a 170 grain bullet and what type ffg or fffg?