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2 hours ago, Kema said:
They probly trash Staccato at Shot Show and start producing lever action hunting rifles for European market.
Doubtful lol...
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On 12/31/2019 at 5:47 PM, OldRunner said:
GS I bought the Dawson tool-less GR before I received my P Duo so I can't compare how it shot w/ the standard GR but mine runs smoothly w/ it installed.
Re. the standard magwell that came on our P Duos, isn't there another grip module available from STI that has a smaller diameter magwell?
The magwells are not part of the grip modules, they are attached to the grip module with the mainspring pin. You can run any aftermarket magwell you like. The previous tactical slim magwell doesnt line up well with the magwell portion of the g2 grip, and have we have therefore been testing some prototype magwells from Dave Dawson for the future.
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On 12/31/2019 at 3:10 PM, geraldskip said:
I just got my 4.15 Staccato P Duo and really like it, except the recoil master makes the recoil seem to stutter a bit. I found it odd.
I ordered a Dawson tool less guide rod for it with some new springs and am anxiously waiting for it to complete the set up.
I also found that the “tactical/carry” magwell is practically useless. There’s no increase in lateral insertion so it didn’t help any of my reloads and actually slowed them down sometimes cause the mag would get caught in the lip.
Quality wise, I was really impressed with it. Everything seems very tight and well fit. I had no issues with the thumb safety and beaver tail biting me like I have had with past STI’s and I really really like it.
I’m also disappointed that they went with the Deltapoint Pro but I can understand why. The RMR cut would have been better but that’s personal opinion.
I shot my best B8 at 25 yards ever though with it. 2 inch group at 25 yards with everything in the X except for 2 in the 10 ring. That’s with a 4.5 pound trigger.
One thing I like is that they appeared to have stroked the commander guns. It has the same slide movement as my 5 in 2011. It shoots very soft and I like it a lot.
Just needs a new recoil spring set up, new magwell, and maybe a flat trigger further down the line.
I cross posted this in the 2020 Staccato Post, but figured I’d update here too.
We went with the dpp cut for a few reasons...one it has the tallest base and therefore Has to sit the lowest in the gun in order to co-witness back up sights that arent ridiculously tall. Two, it was required for two contracts, the USMS SOG, and another mil unit as they run the dpp. Three, you cannot direct mount an rmr on a 1911/2011 slide as the bolt pattern on the rmr is too wide for the slide.
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54 minutes ago, bulldog009 said:
That’s unfortunate to hear. I love my Eagle, and would think they would have no issue selling plenty of them at the $2000 mark. Makes a great way to get into the 2011 platform for competitive shooting without completely breaking the bank.
I agree, but at the end of the day with edge sales dwindling down to hardly anything it was very hard to justify keeping it in production, even with an update, especially with such ling lead times on our models that were selling very well as we only have so much production capacity, and so many gun smiths. Perhaps after some time off, the competition market will grow enough that there will be a market for the edge, or something like it to come back Into the lineup.
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4 minutes ago, RangerTrace said:
Glad to see you on here Buck.......
Thank you Sir, look forward to seeing you in Texas next time I'm in town!
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5 hours ago, p7fl said:
Has anyone seen a price yet on the C2. thx.
Same as P $1999, and $2499 DUO
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12 hours ago, bulldog009 said:
So Buck, why not anything in the Edge/Eagle price range and feature set?
I only deal with r&d for the LE/MIL side if the company, I will certainly pass that up. Part of the reason was the absolutely abysmal sales of the edge prior to it being cut.
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18 hours ago, geraldskip said:
I just got my 4.15 Staccato P Duo and really like it, except the recoil master makes the recoil seem to stutter a bit. I found it odd.
I ordered a Dawson tool less guide rod for it with some new springs and am anxiously waiting for it to complete the set up.
I also found that the “tactical/carry” magwell is practically useless. There’s no increase in lateral insertion so it didn’t help any of my reloads and actually slowed them down sometimes cause the mag would get caught in the lip.
Quality wise, I was really impressed with it. Everything seems very tight and well fit. I had no issues with the thumb safety and beaver tail biting me like I have had with past STI’s and I really really like it.
I’m also disappointed that they went with the Deltapoint Pro but I can understand why. The RMR cut would have been better but that’s personal opinion.
I shot my best B8 at 25 yards ever though with it. 2 inch group at 25 yards with everything in the X except for 2 in the 10 ring. That’s with a 4.5 pound trigger.
One thing I like is that they appeared to have stroked the commander guns. It has the same slide movement as my 5 in 2011. It shoots very soft and I like it a lot.
Just needs a new recoil spring set up, new magwell, and maybe a flat trigger further down the line.
We went with the dpp cut for a few reasons...one it has the tallest base and therefore Has to sit the lowest in the gun in order to co-witness back up sights that arent ridiculously tall. Two, it was required for two contracts, the USMS SOG, and another mil unit as they run the dpp. Three, you cannot direct mount an rmr on a 1911/2011 slide as the bolt pattern on the rmr is too wide for the slide.
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The P5 is not in production, and was never offered in a duo version. After testing carious barrel lengths with Dave Dawson and a certain military unit, we found the most reliable, flattest shooting size in 9mm duty ammo was the 4.45” barrel currently on the new P and P-DUO.
We only discontinued models that weren't selling...had they been selling we would not have discontinued them.
The R was approved for single stack by uspsa and ipsc last year at shot show prior to ever putting them in production.
We aren't selling any $3500 tactical guns, let alone to LE. All of our LE guns have passed 20k-50k endurance tests with numerous departments, some of those evals lasting longer than a year. We also have r&d guns tested within certain military units that shoot a lot...so we certainly arent developing/testing/selling guns to guys who arent shooting them.
As far as dvc vs staccato...they are built the by the same gunsmiths, the exact same way, using the same dlc coating, the same parts (none of which are mim’d), and being inspected To the exact same standard...they just have lighter triggers, lightening cuts on the slide, and cost us a certain amount per gun for saying “dvc” per slide as that is trademarked...hence the reason for now more “dvc” line. Lightening cuts changed to make them functional this year, and we brought our dlc in house and are using a plasma based form of dlc that wears better, and has a more dull look to it.
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New CEO is Nate Horvath, a Marine Veteran and lifelong firearms enthusiast...I assure you his only concern is producing a high quality, American made product! I would not have accepted his job offer to come on board if I did not believe that his intentions were true...I was making way more money contracting!
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STI is under new ownership and management. We currently make our own slides and frames from raw stock in house. The run of 1200 90% frames that Dasan made for STI a few years ago were made for overseas sales. The less than 5% of current parts that we currently outsource, are made by American companies using American materials.
Our new owners, and management our addressing the QC issues of the past, as well as the customer service issues that plagued the company in the past...for example, I was recently contacted by a member of another forum who had issues getting his gun fixed over a year and half ago, and he had gave up on our customer service department, as well as STI. I brought him to our factory, and had him meet with our senior master gunsmith, who then took care of the customers pistol on the spot for him. The new management is mostly veterans, as are several other new employees, and to include myself who is a retired Marine Gunny. We do care where our parts come from, do care about our quality control, do care about making an American firearm, and do care about our customers and dealers.
And yes those import laws are still in effect, which is why the ATF required dasan markings on the partially finished frames that have been called into question on this forum and on the USN forum.
I most certainly would tell you if we were still using some overseas outsourced parts on our guns as honesty is the best policy, and you can get a list from dasan on the companies they have supplied parts to recently, to include remington, sig, springfield, glock, etc...so why would I lie about it?.
Our current lineup are made in house at Georgetown Texas, and are all hand-fit by a single gunsmith, not made on an assembly line, and are inspected by our master gunsmiths before shipping...even our entry level guns receive the same production process as of now, and going forward soon we are going to have the gunsmith who built your gun leave his name and contact info in the case with the gun so you will be able to contact the actual smith who built your gun. To prove what I am saying since my honesty and integrity has been called into question on this matter, we will be creating some video content in the near future that shows STI's production process from raw stock to finished product at our factories in Georgetown.
If anyone else has any questions feel free to let me know.
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yes it is, STI has not outsourced any parts to dasan in almost two years. If it is not marked dasan then it was not machined by dasan.
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As a disclaimer, I am new STI employee...
STI does not use any foreign parts or materials anymore. Yes in the past they used some frames and slides that were partially machined from dasan, who also makes frames and slides for numerous other US firearms manufacturers, and even has a factory in Georgia. However under the new ownership of STI that practice has stopped, and all frames, slides, and parts a re machined from raw stock in house at their Georgetown Texas plant. If anyone doubts this is our current practice, come to Georgetown and I will take you on a tour of our facility and show you the whole operation from raw stock material certs, to the finished product.
STI 2020 Staccato Lineup
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The DVC guns all had light triggers compared to the 4-4.5 lb triggers in the Staccato c/p. Also the majority of the dvc guns were long slides compared to the staccato-p which was a 4.15. Due to that, the staccato-p was sprung heavier. If you were to take the recoil systems out of the guns and put the slide on the frame and rack it back and forth you would see they are fit the same. The dvc-p always feels super smooth as that comp takes so much out of 9mm that it is sprun very light.
We have only used DLC finish on all our 2019 guns, none were nitrided, cerakoted, or blued.