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59 minutes ago, IDescribe said:
You'll likely be shooting with an extreme spread that big and will never notice the difference when you have a 4PF swing from one round to the next. Don't get tricked into thinking chasing the PF floor is going to help you. You'll never notice the difference after the shot timer chimes. Pick your bullet and powder and work up a load to somewhere between let's say PF 130 and 138, looking for the most accurate load. And that's your best load. That's your pet load -- not the softest, but the most accurate in a reasonably soft range. Recoil management comes from grip and stance, and grip, and stance, and a little more grip. Shaving off a few foot-pounds of muzzle energy will give you a false sense of accomplishment in the short run, and it's great for impressing your shooting buddies "Feel this. Ooooh.... aaaahhh...." but it's worth diddly squat under the clock.
I was new to reloading then and instead of speaking in FPS I assumed most would be competition shooters here and relate to PF. As for wanting it in that range is actually what my gun liked. I had a buddy make me some different loads and those that ran 1,000-1,050 FPS or 125-130 PF were the most accurate and best feeling.
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On 9/25/2017 at 4:56 PM, bandw1dth said:
What’s the smoke, accuracy and pf like on that load?Smoke is the same. Not so noticeable outdoors but indoors shows the cloud. Accuracy is same if not better, PF has been 130-131-130-129-130 at the majors this year.
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For those with Grayguns parts. Follow this link.
https://grayguns.com/grayguns-statement-concerning-sig-sauer-p320-voluntary-upgrade/
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1 hour ago, Banacek said:
What program are you using to print the data in this format?
What TitoR said.
BTW I changed to a different load. 3.6gr of TiteGroup with a 125gr Black Bullets International and a COAL of 1.100" running a 14# recoil spring also.
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17 minutes ago, BeltFed said:
Thanks Nick179
After doing a little more research, I found this is kind of common. I also discovered that after reassembly, if I keep pulling the slide back to release the slide from the slide stop (this may take a few attempts) then everything pops back in place and works fine. However if I use the slide stop to release the slide, the striker wont work and the magazine wont seat, and I have to press down on the bar under the slide stop to get it to work.
Interesting something must be hung up somewhere along the way. Do you have any other grip modules besides the X5? Maybe try the FCU in there and see if problem persist. If you have time can you send me or post some pics of your FCU. Mainly the area where the hang up is and then the Left and right rear of the fcu. I had a similar problem when I changed from gen 1 to gen 2 slide stop. I messed up and tapped the trigger back into place while not supporting the safety lever pivot and housing pin and it caused the slide to lock up when racked.
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24 minutes ago, BeltFed said:
I finally picked up a new X5 today. I tried to field strip it, but the take down lever would only move so far. I eventually had to use a block of soft wood and a small hammer to tap it into position. I field stripped the X5, put it back together, then field stripped it again. This time I had no trouble turning the take down lever. Put it back together and tried to function test it. The magazine wouldn't seat, and the striker wouldn't function. After several tear downs and studying the fire control frame, I discovered that I had to push down on a bar under the slide stop lever to allow a stud on the bar to pop into a hole on the slide stop, then it worked just fine. I haven't even loaded a magazine yet, and the thing needs to go back to the factory. Guess this is what happens when you try to push product out of the door to fast. I really like this pistol too.
The takedown lever is usually very stiff at first because it is engaging the magazine block while simultaneously moving the guide rod up and out of the way. Make sure all your pins are tight on the FCU too before re installing it into the grip. Then once you get the takedown lever back into place, lift up on the slide lock lever to disengage the magazine block, put slide back on making sure the guide rod is centered on the barrel. With the takedown lever in the open position 90* vertical put the slide back on and leave the slide locked rearward, rotated takedown lever forward, rack slide a few times. The X5 is really over sprung and it takes about 20# of force to rotate the takedown lever, I use the magazine by placing the bottom of the base pad on top of the lever and pushing and rotating at the same time. Hope this helps.
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1 hour ago, sfinney said:
I reads the rules. I have a reasonable command of the English language; I know what I think the words mean.
I was unclear as to whether the quote of that section was offered as proof for, or against, the item in discussion. Hanging a rules quote out there without any further comment.... well, you would be amazed how many different people have read the same words of the rule book and came up with different answers, on many different subjects. Especially about Production items. Thanks for your input, we are in agreement.
Not a knock towards you, just used your quote for reference. Sometimes the rules are interpreted very differently by others. USPSA rules have a few contradictions I've seen in production modifications. It's sadly do what "you" think is right and if you get caught, try your best to explain and point out the multiple rule sets that support your decision. With so many approved guns it's hard to make a general blanket rule for minor parts and swapping of parts in a set manufacture.
Its like OFM (Original Firearms Manufacture) is interpreted so many ways when I talk to people.
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2 minutes ago, sfinney said:
So you are saying based on this, and the grip frame being one of the "not limited to" parts, it should be legal for Production to put an X-Five grip frame on a regular Full Size P320?
Read the rules, don't read into them. Is the X5 on the approved production list? Yes! So are all models of p320 except the SC.
Thus allowing you to swap "most" parts between any P320 or X5 on the approved list.
So according to the above rule, if you wanted to place an X5 flat trigger in any model of the P320 it would be legal.
If you wanted to swap different generation slide lock levers, it would be legal.
If you wanted to swap sizes of grips (S,M,L) it would be legal.
If you wanted to put an X5 grip module on a FS slide for production it would be legal because the grip module is a readily available part that doesn't require a 4473. To me it's no different than switching out a Gen 3 glock frame for a Gen 4 because of the new mag release size. They are both approved and on the list.
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D4 21.6 states
Sights, firing pins, firing pin retainers, pins, extractors and ejectors MAY be replaced with OFM or aftermarket parts.
Any other components which are externally visible may ONLY be replaced with OFM parts which are offered on the specific model of gun or another approved gun from the same manufacturer except as specifically clarified below. Examples of external components which may only be replaced with OFM parts include (but are not limited to): magazine releases, slide stops, thumb safeties and triggers. -
1 hour ago, Magsz said:
I'm not talking about the grit job. I'm talking about the area under the beaver tail where the ridge was clearly removed in order to smooth/blend that area.
Appendix D7 21.4 is what you're looking for. It will answer all your questions.
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1 hour ago, andersonj55126 said:
I am not 100% sure. I am assuming the regular P320 needs the curved trigger to stay consistent with factor shape and X5 needs flat to stay consistent.
The GGI triggers are legal in production and CO. Since the X5 is on the approved production list you can use the GGI or sig flat trigger in any other p320 on the approved list.
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On 7/5/2017 at 9:40 PM, racerwong said:
Just got lucky and found a Romeo1.
Definitely gonna need to see this bad boy. Please post some pics soon.
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Got my X5 almost ready for CO. So far it sports the Grayguns competition enhanced leverage trigger service (CELTS)
Springer Precision Leupold DPP adapter plate, one piece grit grip tape, extended mag release, and 21 round base pads with grams follower and springs (on there way)
Leupold DPP with 7.5moa Delta reticle.
Just waiting on new guide rod and spring options.
Shot it today with no issues. Still trying to figure out what I want my zero yardage to be.
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Go to topgunsupply and they have most of the parts in stock.
i keep spare safety lever spring, sear spring, extractor with spring and pin, striker spring, striker reset spring, mag catch spring and cup, take down lever O-ring, and trigger bar spring from Grayguns. All that is about $60
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On 6/13/2017 at 5:20 PM, alma said:
The Grams spring kit should give you about plus one and the Springer extension for the 21 rounders will give you another plus one for 23 plus 1 (chambered) total.
Good to know I've been wanting to play with these but the grams guts have been out of stock
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49 minutes ago, Majja said:
I have a quick mag question on the mags that come with the x5. are they 140mm in length? if not have any of you added the springer base pads and how many rounds do you get in the mag with that extension and grams guts?
The factory base pads are 140mm with a little modification to the bottom rear of base pad that guruantees it fits the gauge.
The Springer EZ 140 with the grams follower and Spring kit will add 1 round. Making 22 reloadable and 23 total. I'd like to say that using a factory 17 round with the springer EZ 140 base pads (not for 21 round mags) with grams guts will hold 23 reloadable and 24 total.
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My routine at stages after the briefing goes like this:
1) count all targets to make sure I'm not missing any (32 round comstock all metric) I better see 16 metric targets.
2) find the start position and give a good look around to see if there's any targets that can be engaged from the start position
3) hazards, such as 180 traps or footing issues,line of sight, no shoots, hard cover etc.
4) then I look at trying to go left to right. Being right handed, doing reloads moving right makes for less a chance of a 180 violation. Going left to right isn't always possible. But I prefer it.
5) find targets in groups no larger than 5 for production.
6) try walk throughs finding those groups and making sure there's no issues such as having to go back if I need a make up shot or end up zig zagging wasting time. ALWAYS LOOK FOR BEST SPOT TO STAND THAT ALLOWS YOU TO ENGAGE MULTIPLE TARGETS. sometimes standing dead center of a stage allows you to shoot multiple targets that would have to be shot from 2,3, or 4 different spots if you went in to close to ports or walls. Sometimes standing back gives you a better view. DON'T GET TUNNEL VISION!!
7) plan reloads. Now I have a plan of which targets I'm gonna shoot from where and now it's time to plan where to reload, ideally I want to reload only after 10 shots and while moving. But each stage determines that.
8) mental replay. Now I visualize what my plan is and get as many walk throughs as I can in the 5 minutes.
9) stick with MY plan! Don't let someone shooting limited tell you not to reload there. It's already decided the way I'm gonna shoot. Changing it last minute for me only screws me up.
10) once the shooting begins if I'm not first I'm constantly going over the same plan in my head. I'll close my eyes and listen for the start timer. Then mentally I go through my stage plan.
11) once I'm at the line I get in my start position, check my mags, on the command I take my sight picture, load, make ready, and holster. Then I go through it one more time looking at each target and motioning reloads.
12) execute! Whether it goes 100% to plan or to shit is up to you!
I don't always run on stages do to a back injury, but I lack in speed I make up for in a good stage plan and good hits. Running a stage super fast with 3 bobbled reloads and a bunch of "Mikes" is useless. Go at the pace that allows you to get Alphas.
Ive ran stages in double the time as the next guy and still had a higher HF because of his poor shooting. Keep up the training and always visualize your plan!
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43 minutes ago, LHshooter said:
Got a question about red dot optics, not sure if this is the proper forum but I do have an X5. Have never shot a red dot before, but given my eyes at 59, I understand it would be beneficial. Have read some posts on this forum about the Vortex Viper, Burris Fast Fire and of course the Romeo. I understand the Romeo is difficult to find while the Vortex and Burris are readily available. Can someone give me the pros/cons on going with either of these? Other than the battery being on the bottom of the Viper requiring removal of the optic to replace, what else is there to consider. I think the 6 MOA dot would be helpful for me, rather than a tiny dot. Midway has the Viper on sale for $180, so if I find I can't shoot with it, I guess I could always try to sell it and would not have invested too many $$.
Any help to a poor sighted guy would be appreciated. If this is not the right forum, I'll repost on the optics forum, but I was hoping for some X5 specific feedback. Thx
When I was looking for my optic I went on each manufactures website and got the specs for the models I liked, got out the calipers and ruler and made templates to see what they actually looked like instead of driving around to a bunch of stores. Im still between the vortex Venom and C-More RTS2.
also find the mount that's available for the sights first. Check springer precision and see what they offer. I looked at the viper but couldn't find a mount for the X5. The bottom load battery was a deal breaker for me. I don't wanna have to change battery the day before every match and go reconfirm zero all the time. Id go with the Venom 6moa over Viper.
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I shoot BBI 125gr loaded with 3.6gr of titegroup with a COAL of 1.100". Using a 15# 1911 spring. It feeds perfectly and is very flat and sights track very well. Makes 130PF confirmed at several major matches.
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6 minutes ago, LHshooter said:
The fiber is 0.040". What I do is when I install a piece of the fiber I let a little extra stick out so when I melt it, the bulb ends up being a little bigger in diameter than how they come from Dawson. My eyes like seeing a little bigger fiber bulb.
Ok, and you like how the new Front sight blade fills the rear notch now?
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1 hour ago, LHshooter said:
Just replaced my X5 front sight with a slightly wider one, and for my 59 year old eyes, it makes a big difference. Ordered a new sight from Dawson Precision that is 0.23" tall (factory height according to my measurements) and 0.10" wide, and that extra 0.01" is really noticeable to me, the front sight no longer looks like a strand of hair. All that daylight on either side of the factory front sight bothered me. As usual, the Dawson folks provided great service and fast shipping. I will say the front sight was really tight in the dovetail, and the aluminum punch that Dawson provides was too flimsy to drift out the sight, had to resort to my own set of punches.
What diameter FO does your new sight have, .060 or .040?
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54 minutes ago, gearguywb said:
I am in the same boat. Thinking about the Leopold with the 7.5 min delta, with the Springer adapter.
Anyone set up something like that?
I met a guy with a CZ that had DPP 7.5 triangle mounted. He did nothing but complain about leupold and how they wouldn't honor the warranty even though the thing would eat up batteries. He said it would only run for 4 hours and then die, he sent it back, they had it for 2 months and told him nothing wrong. I'm looking hard at the 6 MOA Vortex Venom, at $220 I could get 2 and have a backup, plus vortex warranty is the best.
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Check out Tuff Products. I've been running their competition belt for 2 seasons. Way stiffer than my old DAA. Plus they are truer to their shape. The DAA belts always seemed to compress when I tightened down my mag pouches and holster. The TUFF belt stays true and everything mounts tight.
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Top Gun Supply has PELT 2 in stock FYI.