My trouble with the oal is that i was using my lyman cast bullet handbook for info. They had a 140gr swc. I assumed (incorrectly) that i could use that data because the bullet i was using was lighter, and i wouldn't be over pressure. When i used their oal, the mouth of the brass was lined up with the lube groove in the bullet. I didn't want to push it deeper without asking people what they have done. I guess this is why you don't assume, lol. As far as the cz having a short throat, I'm aware of that, so i figured if it fits the cz, it should be good in my other 9mms, but I'd still check obviously. Just figured the cz would be the shortest compared to a springfield 1911, remington r1, beretta 92 and springfield xds. Thanks for all of your help.