bozrdang

The Dillon dies didn't solve the issue at all for me.

No. I never figured out why. Dillon was no help either.

Update - so I got the Dillon alignment tool and realigned the machine. I also purchased a Whidden tool head and installed it and still no improvement. I made sure my bench is level and even shimmed either side of the machine a quarter inch to see if it made any difference. Nothing seems to change it. I also just started reloading 45 ACP so I am now using a different shell plate than the 9mm in my OP. I've manged to make a video showing the case deflecting into the resizing die. And that is with me carefully pushing the base of the case all the way into the shell plate with my finger. So this represents the best case scenario. https://youtu.be/feSVBGu2-rU The movement you see is the top of the case being tilted back towards the center of the tool head. The base is already as far in the shell holder as possible. You can actually hear it falling back down to it's normal resting position when I lower the ram. Sent from my SM-N900V using Tapatalk

I just got the alignment tool the other day but haven't had a chance to use it yet. Sent from my SM-N900V using Tapatalk

I ordered a Whidden and should arrive today. I was thinking what you just mentioned about having some forgiveness so I ordered the standard floating model. We'll see how it works. It sure looks like they've got a little increase in business from this thread. Lol. Sent from my SM-N900V using Tapatalk

Taking the pins out of the tool head definitely helped. Does Dillon provide the alignment tool for free?

All 357 dies come with a roll crimp? I've read that some people taper crimp them especially with plated bullets. I mean I don't have to worry about running loads that would be too hot for plated bullets.

I just purchased a S&W 626 Plus .357 Mag with a 5" barrel. I shot some cheap factory 125gr ammo out of it for the first time and loved it. I reload and would like to reload for it too. I have the cases and primers, so I just need some powder and bullets. I am considering purchasing some Speer JHP 158gr from American Reloading. I chose jacketed over plated so I don't have to worry about my load. These bullets have a canelure and I would like to roll crimp them. What dies would be good for this in a Dillon 650? Does Dillon's set include a roll crimp die? What about Lee?

You guys have given me a wealth of info and suggestions. I don't usually have any time during the week to play with the machine but I will check out some of your guys' ideas this weekend. Thanks everyone. Sent from my SM-N900V using Tapatalk

I was at my machine when I called. He asked if I tightened down the resizing die with a case inserted and the handle pulled all the way down. I told him I had done that a few times. He asked if the brass wobbled equally in all the locations on the shell plate and I said yes. Once I explained that my last session I had about 30-40 hang ups while reloading 650 he seemed dismissive. Like I was expecting perfection. He never had me try anything. He said machines have tolerances and maybe once in while a case is falling outside that tolerance. Whether be be it's size or its bouncing back out of the shell holder a bit. I explained that I work in manufacturing and I am experienced with machines and their limitations. I told him that my concern was that even when I carefully seat a case in the shell holder with my finger it still deflects into the resizing die. That makes me wonder if I'm at the edge of its tolerance under the best conditions, leaving no wiggle room. He wouldn't answer if it is normally for all cases to be deflected upon entering the die. Sent from my SM-N900V using Tapatalk

Finally had a chance to call Dillon while they were open and they weren't any help. They said if it's only happening once in a while, it's not a machine problem and probably just a result of slightly different sized brass. They guy also said machines aren't perfect and it's to be expected to have a hang up every once in a while. I checked the grease under locator 1 and it looks pretty light. I'll try adding some more and see if that helps. Sent from my SM-N900V using Tapatalk

I've check everything you guys suggested and everything looks good. I am using the correct shell plate and pins, I removed the shell plate and inspected and cleaned the grooves that accept the case, I inspected the face of the ram for grease and gunk and it was clean and the timing looks perfect. Tested some cases after all that and I can still see them tilting inward while they are entering the resizing die. I guess I'll have to put in a call to Dillon and see what they have to say about it. Sent from my SM-N900V using Tapatalk

I didn't think to check for gunk on the plastic ram. I'll look into that. It looks as though the case is going into the shell plate as far as it can go. Even when the case goes into the die without any felt interference, you can see that the case straightens as it goes in. I am using Dillon dies and the case catches on the other most edge of the die. The edge furthest away from the shell plate bolt. The primers seem to line up fine and I don't have any problems seating them except for the occasional S&B case.

I meant to add that I tried that also. It was one of the last things I tried.

I am reloading 9mm on a XL 650 and have been experiencing an issue where the top of my cases sometimes catch on the resizing die. This can be very subtle and the case is deflected up into the die while stroking the machine or it can literally stop the press. It appears as though the case is pushed into the shell plate as far as it can go but the cases are slightly tilted outward away from the center of the press and not aligned such as to go straight up into the die. All l I have to do is gently tilt the top of the case towards the center of the press and it enters the resizing die without issue. I have made sure the shell plate is tight enough to eliminate any wobble and I've made sure the that rod the moves the "case pusher block" (not sure what it's really called) is set so that the pusher is not restricted from going all the way in. I have noticed the "case pusher block" has a fair amount of wobble on the rail it rides on. I'm not sure if that is normal or not. Anyone else have this issue or know how to solve it?