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CZ Shadow 2
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Shadow 2 is $1379 in CanadaIf the CZ Orange is going for $1800+ , I expect this to be a higher price point. Is that a correct assumption ? I wonder how many people will buy $2000 CZ? I have been a fan and have 3 CZ's myself but the price seems to be getting out of hand. Then again, there a lots of folks with a high "toys" budget. I got 2 young kids and Im not one of them.
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Was there any steel on those stages? Practiscore doesn't include steel hits.Scratch that, still doesn't add up even if i add 6 steel hits, and penalties aren't counted towards raw points either, so there can't be any unlisted procedurals. Strange.
Not sure what's going on with your match results and practiscore, but normally raw points is the points total of all your hits on a given stage before penalties. That's how it should normally work anyway.
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Stop worrying about all these frivolous dimensions and buy a tanfo stock 3. That's what they used to copy the Shadow 2 for anyway..
I'm wondering since parts dimensions are different whether they did or didn't copy the stock 3 design, and I can't use most of my spare parts kit in a tanfo.
Wondering what I would have to buy in terms of spare parts for a Shadow 2.
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This is a video that has me (white shirt, shorts), and one of our club's M shooters stages for comparison.
Off the bat, I can tell that he tends to split faster than me, and I get moving quicker most of the time.
Any observations you have would be welcome.
I am also wondering if anybody has the time (and can deal with the fact that it's vertical), to put it through shotcoach. I have individual stage videos if that would make it easier. I do not have any iOS devices or I would have bought it instead.
Thanks!
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Heard back from CZ they are keen to the idea of me doing the interview at the factory. If you have any questions you'd like answered post 'em here. Please make them related to only the Shadow and the Shadow 2
What height, and width are the front sight? What diameter fiber rod does it take? Especially compared to the fiber on the current shadow, which i believe is 5.5mm tall, 3.1mm wide and uses a 1.5mm wide fiber. I'm assuming the dovetail for the front sight is the same as the current CZ 75 SP-01 Shadow, correct?
Grips look different, wondering what grip options they'll be offering if they are different?
I'm curious about the safety. Everytime I see it from the right side, it's flat, but on the left side it's flat or extended. Is it flat on both sides, flat on the right & extended on the left, extended on both, or interchangeable? Will they be releasing different sets of safeties? Will the extended safeties work in the current CZ 75 SP-01 Shadow? Would really like to try the extended safety on it.
Are they still using the staked trigger pin that has to be replaced when taken out?
I know you mentioned that the slide is longer, which might mean a longer recoil spring, and if so what weights are they gonna offer for recoil springs?
Thanks Rob!
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Unsubbing from thread, just bought for $165 on Monday :/
On another note, can I dry tumble with corn cob media, or stainless pins?
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If you take a look on the hodgdon site, look up the 125gr you'll see sierra fmjs which are 4.1-4.4 I think.So I didn't get around to running the 3.8 grains of titegroup with sb primers and 124 grain plated round nose until yesterday. I didn't get a chance to put together the 4.0 grains as mentioned above.
I friend had a chrono and we ran a few rounds through, and...3.8 grains fell short, only getting 940-960 fps out of them. Doing the math it looks like it'll take about 4.0 grains which is kinda scary as the published max is 4.1 grains. Though it does also mention that the fps with 4.1 grains is 1057 fps which would put me at 131 power factor.
I have some plated 124gr that I'm loading at 4.2gr since 4 has occasional problems with knocking down plates.
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The czc comp hammers are from czub, and the shadow hammers are pulled from shadows, if you ever get a non decocker cz, I've found both to be pretty equal.
This:
http://czcustom.com/cz-parts-all/cz-comp-hammer-decocker-only.html
Is the one you need for your tac, since the hammer hooks are a different shape I believe.
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I have been using some campro 124gr hollow points, which have a max OAL of 1.100" to pass plunk test, and spin freely in my CZ SP01 Shadow. The charge weight I've been using is 4.1gr of TG.
I just got some campro 124gr round nose. From plunk test and spinning freely, the max OAL is 1.160". I double checked in my 85B and Jericho 941 RPL as I thought my barrel might have been out of spec, but it passes in them too.
I also checked the projectile dimensions, and it's the same length as the hollow points, and same diameter, .355"
I'm asking what OAL I should load at, I've heard load as long as I can, which I would make 1.140", but do I lose any velocity by loading this long as opposed to say 1.100"?
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You really have to smack it if you're using mallet + starter punch. I put mine in a vise and gave it some very hard and focused hits to get it moving.The trigger pin still didn't come out with starter punch and metal mallet. Can't get it to even budge. I think I'll end up drilling it out with a .080" or so drill size since the pin is .086".
The rest I got after some time. The double action pull was having a held up With the trigger back every 1/20, but after some lube and working trigger few hundred times with a snap cap, seems to be almost non existent. I'm guessing the pre fitted type 1 disco was just a hair oversized. Guess range session this week will tell.
How do I post photos?
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That makes sense, except the current shadow is about $900-$1000 CAD here, and I think czcustom has them for about $900 USD.... So here's hoping for a cheap upgrade.
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Was asking about the sights since I wasn't sure about the gun's price & whether I'd be switching over soon after it came out. $2400 though, I thought it would be more around $1200-$1500.the guns or the sights? I'd expect the gun to be at least $2400
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How much do you think they'll go for in Canada, if they get sold here?that rear sight does fit the regular Shadows, I'm snagging a dozen while at IWA
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It was the magazine/trigger bar spring screw. It loosened which makes sense as to how the gun got even more "non-functional" as I shot more rounds. Still really peeved as to how it worked its way loose. I'm pretty sure it was staked when I first got the CZ.
It's been cleaned and blue loc-tited and retightened. Everything works like normal now.
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So I went to the range today for what was supposed to be 500 or so rounds of practice. Have shot about 5k rounds through it, and dryfired it on average 1-2 hours a day since June. Have not replaced anything in the fire control group (sear group, hammer, disconnector, trigger bar, trigger)
Different symptoms showed up throughout the practice session as it started to break on me.
First, was dryfiring some dot drills and it felt like the hammer might have slipped say 3/4 on the way back being cocked on a DA trigger pull, but I wasn't totally sure until after the shadow really broke.
Second, when I started a string, pulling the DA trigger would not cock the hammer at all. Absolutely nothing happened. Pulled it slowly a few times 6-7, and it felt like it caught on something then the hammer cocked back and dropped on the slide.
Third, in half-cock it would not cock the hammer at all through the pull until it reached around the area of where the SA pull would release the hammer. It would then release the hammer from half-cock onto the slide.
Fourth, it would not drop the hammer/raise the sear during a SA pull.
Lastly, as I type this, during an SA pull occasionally even when the sear does go up and drop the hammer, it sometimes comes back down(I think?) and the hammer stops at half-cock. It will not reliably drop the hammer on an SA pull.
I'm thinking sear, or disco, or trigger bar. WTF. Haven't taken it down yet as I just got back from the range
EDIT: These are all cumulative by the way, it didn't change from one symptom to the other. It currently has all of these sypmtoms.
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I cannot speak for what they sell but if it's marked as made by CZ UB I've no reason to doubt that. CZ definitely make (or made) extended firing pins for the non firing pin block guns (shadow, 85C etc). They also included them in models like the orange, shadow mate etc.
Agree with beer, they are sold up here in numbers as well. A lot of the other shooters here in production use them when running lightened mainsprings, and its no secret either.Is the extended firing pin really legal for IPSC Production? I haven't noticed it in any CZ UB factory made guns and neither is it provided as an CZ upgrade part. CZC is the only place selling it and they are claiming it to be CZ part, but that can be a mistake.
Our local sec coordinator(I think that's his position title) shoots a cz in production and if it was illegal I imagine he would make it known pretty quickly.
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Was considering an eventual switch to a tanfo in a shooting season or two.
If this tanfo, *cough* cz has the same feel that the tanfo does in the hand, I'll probably go for it instead.
Grip checkering, front serrations moved a tiny bit forward. Fixes 2/3 ergo gripes I have with the CZ.
The only part I'm unsure about is the safety. For me, a tanfo stock 3 and its extended safety put my thumb a bit higher than the cz, but can't tell that from pictures.
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http://www.benstoeger.com/index.php/gallery/23-second-category/90-the-dotsWhich target are you folks using for this?
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http://cz-usa.com/product/cz-75-sp-01-shadow-target-ii-9mm-cz-custom/
The "target 2" is a regular shadow that has what looks like an LPA adjustable sight fitted instead of the regular comp sight. Also comes with an extra tall front since the slide isnt milled and the rear sight sits quite high.
It is marketed towards IPSC. Not sure how it fares against the various IDPA rules.
Edit: Actually unsure of last part since it says it has a short reset trigger which may or may not mean a pre-b disco, or their system which is not legal in IPSC.
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I have an 85B (firing pin block) and a duotone sp-01 shadow.
The 85b pull weights are 8#/4# and the shadow weights are 7.5#/3.5#
The reset distance is almost 2x less on the shadow than the 85b which I was extremely surprised to find out when I compared as I was led to believe the reset of both would be near identical.
If you drop the DA weight by using a lower weight mainspring, an extended firing pin (length 2.500" roughly) paired with a reduced power firing pin spring is recommended. You can go two routes for that: cz extended with a rami spring, or a cgw extended that comes with a spring from Dave.
The shadow came with a trigger of similar shape to my 85B but has a hole for the over travel screw. I kinda wanted the 85 combat trigger since it feels nice on the finger, but that is a minor thing.
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YupDoes the CGW adjustable sear make a standard SP01 Shadow illegal in IPSC then?
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Not yet, saving up for a setup. Will take a few months before I can buy one. Leaning towards a 650 if I buy newWelcome aboard.
Are you reloading, yet?
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Hi guys, this is my intro post on the enos forum, although I have posted some in the other subforums here, and am a somewhat frequent poster on the DP forum.
Shooting Production in IPSC Canada, (10 rounds). Started shooting guns last August, first match was May, last match (3rd) I came 6th 75% to a high A/low M shooter in Standard(Limited). Hope to make M class within a year. Less than 3k rounds shot through handguns, less than 4k rounds of anything. Lots of dryfire though.
Oh yeah, how does posting videos work, I can embed from youtube right?
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You said $1300 model, which is usually a shadow target. The rear is aftermarket which is fine, but the slide is milled for it.
I thought would be easier for people to look up the mods than me explaining it.I dug into this a little more. The issues appear to be the mainspring and slide polishing that is done. Is anybody at IPSC Nationals in the US going to care?
Any CZ OEM mainspring is fine.
Polishing; no. Fitting is fine.
"Appendix D4
16. Original parts and components offered by the OFM as standard equipment, or as an option, for a specific model
handgun on the IPSC approved handgun list are permitted, subject to the following:
16.1 Modifications to them, other than minor detailing (the removal of burrs and/or adjustments unavoidably
required in order to fit replacement OFM parts or components), are prohibited. Other prohibited
modifications include those which facilitate faster reloading (e.g. flared, enlarged and/or add-on
magwells, etc.), changing the original color and/or finish of a handgun, and/or adding stripes, stippling or
other embellishments."
IPSC Handgun Rules; http://www.ipsc.org/pdf/RulesHandgun.pdf
PS When asking if a gun is IPSC production legal it is not a good idea to specify the CZC model name.(or CZC at all).
Simply specify the parts used and work performed.
The only non ofm parts are the sights (which is within the rules) and the guide rod which IPSC specifically approved. I thought the hammer was an aftermarket part, it is not. Trying to avoid another gun purchase. Thanks for you input.
What model shadow do you have specifically?
CZ Shadows 2 is coming
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No safeties, the DA first shot is the safety. Also, usually can't engage the safeties while decocked on most Shadows.