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A 140mm extension is not legal in Production but if you're looking for a replacement basepad we make one that is Aluminum and is legal for Production, it doesn't add any capacity and fits the box.
Are we talking about these?
And that brings up another point...I'm guessing that these are legal for IDPA ESP with the ESP magwell AND are legal for USPSA Production but you can't use the ESP magwell. Am I correct?
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So...I went through the other posts and didn't see anything about this. I do see that there are specs for the maximum size of the gun (has to fit into the USPSA box with an empty mag, etc) on the USPSA website but don't have my gun with me at the moment and can't measure until I buy the basepads.
Sooo....does anyone know for sure that a M&P CORE 5" with the TTI basepads (supposedly fits the USPSA 140mm guage) fits in the requirements for Production Division?
On a side note...as I understand it you can't add an APEX trigger and stay production. Is that accurate?
Thanks in advance for your help...
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Just an update on the airsoft clone for MP9. I received yesterday and tried it. It is pretty cool, except that it does not fit into my Bladetech MP9 Pro holster. It does fit into my MP9 compact IWB holster (CrossBreed SuperTuck).
At this point, this airsoft is not useful for practicing draw and fire. I am returning it.
That's strange that it doesn't fit your Bladetech holster. I got one of the officially licensed M&P clone airsoft pistols and it fits mine. I have an M&P 9mm 5" core. I got the Bladetech OWB for 9mm...had to make a slight adjustment to the end because my 5" pistol was too long (just heated it up with a heat gun and inserted my gun into the holster until it cooled)...it works fine with the airsoft gun.
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I just added the Dawson Precision blacked-out serrated competition rear sight and the (thin bladed) FO front sight. Personally I really prefer the thin front sight because it is easier to pick up the front sight, gives you more of a view of the target and to me it is easier to center the front blade in the rear notch when you have some open space instead of having the front sight fill the rear notch. So my vote is for a thinner front sight.
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I bought some ammo from a company out of Dallas (I live in the area) called Stand 1 Armory. I was really impressed with the quality and reliability. I've shot almost all of their 9mm and .223 and haven't had any issues and found it to be very accurate also. While going through their website I saw that they had some 9mm 115 gr Superlite ammo that they say is "a true double -P load"...power factor around 100. They have all sorts of disclaimers about needing to shoot a modified gun with 11# or lighter recoil spring, etc.
I tried it out with a 13# spring and I had a stove pipe issue. Duh...sounds like they were right...I need a lighter spring. Dang it was like shooting a BB gun though and it was super accurate.
Has anyone had any experience running a 11# or lighter spring in their M&P Pro (I have a 5" CORE)?
I could really see where it would be awesome (assuming that you're only shooting paper) to run this ammo if going down to an 11# spring would do the job.
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I'll second the Dawson precision pre-cut (laser) abrasive grips. They fit an M&P absolutely perfect and don't cover the back strap.
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Just saw this on the 3-Gun Nation Facebook page. Looks like Keith Garcia uses airsoft...
https://www.facebook.com/video.php?v=10152929868866424&set=vb.394637266423&type=3&theater
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Just saw this on 3-Gun Nations Facebook page. If it is good enough for Keith Garcia then it should be good for most people.
https://www.facebook.com/video.php?v=10152929868866424&set=vb.394637266423&type=3&theater
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I just ordered the Shotmaxx. I can't see where any timer would be as good as this one...worn on wrist...has software that can be updated as they make improvements. Sounds awesome! I can't wait to try it out.
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I've got it and it is awesome!!! Agree with techj about the "racking the slide" issue. If I was shooting a Glock I'd get the SIRT pistol today...or yesterday. I shoot an M&P and they don't have a M&P SIRT in that model yet though I'm told that there will be one available in early 2015...though they have missed some previously promised launch dates. I bought a LaserLyte full sized training pistol just to play around with so I can use all the functions of the software but it sin't an M&P so I'm not real happy about that...just got it for fun. I did buy a M&P officially licensed blowback airsoft pistol and it works pretty well for drawing from the holster and also sight alignment and site picture and shooting with both eyes...which is something I was having a hard time with but now am doing much better. I'm currently working on putting the LaserLyte laser device in the barrel of my airsoft pistol and using it so I get the best of both worlds (until the SIRT comes out)...but it is going to require some modification of my airsoft gun and I'm trying to find an airsoft gunsmith to help me with it so I don't screw up my gun.
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I've got a LaserLyte and the LASR Range software. I'm not using it to it's full capability since I have to rack the slide too. Once the SIRT M&P is out then it will be much better.
I'm also using a M&P Officially Licensed Airsoft pistol. It is pretty effective at short ranges (7-10 yards).
You can read more in my post here:
Great info!
I have MP9 pro 5''. Will the airsoft clone fit in my holster? How about the weight, all metal or polymer? I suppose the trigger on airsoft is totally different than APEX...
The one I mentioned in my post fits my CORE holster perfectly. The weight is a little lighter than the real pistol but with a mag in it it's pretty close to a real pistol without a mag. The trigger is different. Haven't messed with it to see if there is any way to manipulate it at all. There is also a video out there where a guy puts some material (some type of pliable eraser) into the mag to keep the airsoft bb follower from going up to the empty position. That will allow it to fire when empty. I think they use airsoft guns in movies or something. I haven't done it but if you wanted to simulate firing without shooting bbs then that could be a good solution.
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What kind of work/lubing are you guys doing to the inside of the extension tube to make sure the spring doesn't bind up or anything? Anyone use silicon spray or light oil on the spring? I'm not sure if that is any issue or not but just checking to make sure I have my bases covered.
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So I'm guessing that you want less forward force to reduce recoil and more downward force to reduce muzzle rise?
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I've got a LaserLyte and the LASR Range software. I'm not using it to it's full capability since I have to rack the slide too. Once the SIRT M&P is out then it will be much better.
I'm also using a M&P Officially Licensed Airsoft pistol. It is pretty effective at short ranges (7-10 yards).
You can read more in my post here:
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I just got a PA 1-6x and strapped it on my AR this weekend. I have to say that I'm pretty happy with it at this point. Looks like a pretty good deal for the price. Really hard to beat!
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UPDATE: I got to shoot my new M&P Airsoft pistol this weekend. I was able to practice my draws from a holster (it fits my CORE holster perfect) from around 7 yards. It was very accurate. On a full sized silhouette I had all A body and head shots with no misses. I think if you go over 10 yards or so then you're going to start seeing an accuracy issue that is inherent with airsoft guns. I'm using the .20g (high quality) BBS but might try going up to .25g or .30g to see if it helps on slightly longer distances. I also got 2 extra mags and worked on mag changes with 17+1 BBS loaded. The mags can hold more but for realism I think it would be best to use whatever you're going to be shooting in your real steel. I can really see where it will help with working on proper draw techniques and sight picture and alignment. I'm really working hard to improve my "both eyes open" shooting and it is going to be awesome for this since the sight picture is going to be very similar to using a real gun. You can get a lot of practice in for pennies vs the high cost of real ammo. Not going to be a replacement for live fire practice but it's an excellent supplement!
My vote is "YES"! Get one.
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Got this recently about the M&P SIRT. I'm really anxious for this to come out. I got the LASR (Laser Activated Shot Reporter) software with all the plug-ins and a SureStrike Premium Plus laser dry fire kit from laser-ammo.com for my M&P Pro CORE 9mm and it is pretty cool. Only issue is that you have to cycle the slide after every shot so it isn't giving as realistic of an experience as it would with something like the SIRT pistol.
Hi Alan,
The M&P will be available in early 2015. We did a Beta Run in September and found a few changes that need ed to be made.
Thanks
Greg Davis
Next Level Training
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Once you receive it, please give us a report.
Just got my officially licensed M&P Full Size 9mm replica airsoft pistol in the mail today at my office. Wow! Looks and feels really close to my real M&P with all the official markings from S&W. Looks really well made. With the mag in it seams like it weighs pretty close to what my M&P Pro CORE 5" weighs with an empty mag. It is a 4.25" version so not as long as mine but other than that it is the same size. I changed out the back strap to the large size and feels the same in my hand. The blowback slide is pretty cool and does give you a little muzzle rise so you'll have to drop back down on target...obviously not as much as the real thing but it does help to not have it be totally stationary. When you fire it is a lot louder than I thought it would be...once again not like a real gun but it doesn't just go "pew-pew". LOL I think its going to be loud enough to use a timer. It fits in my Blade Tech holster too so I can work on my draws. I shot it last night in the dark so haven't had a chance to check accuracy or range. I'm not anticipating that it is going to be very accurate over 7-10 yards but to me that is really all you'll need for practice. I think between the airsoft and dry fire practice I'm going to be able to get a lot out of it.
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I was just watching a video of a guy loading his 1301 Comp and the shells were going in really easy. There was no effort at all. I was really surprised because even with the tube empty it takes a little effort to push a shell in. If I get up to 8 or 10 shells loaded it is really hard. Am I working with too much spring tension or something? I have a Nordic extension tube and should be able to run 12 plus 1. I did cut some off the spring...think it was around 12" based on what I had read on here. It doesn't make sense to me that it is so hard. Any thoughts?
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I've seen that there is a S&W officially licensed version but it shoots at around 290-300 fps and the "Birg Bird" shoots around 300-330 fps. Don't know if that is a big difference or not with airsoft. The main difference I see in the two is no logos on the Big Bird and it has a safety and is about $40 cheaper. I don't mind spending the extra $40 bucks if the official version is better. I'd like to get a good Airsoft pistol to practice with but not sure which one to go with.
Thanks for the info. I have not seen an officially licensed version anywhere. Can you point me to a website?
I just ordered this one: http://www.evike.com/products/47404/
I can't speak to the quality or anything since I haven't used it yet but considering it is an "officially licensed" version I would think it would be a fairly good one. There are some reviews online as well as some videos.
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Yep, works fine. Do a search for WE Big Bird as I assume there are trademark issues - you can get magazines for either green gas or CO2. The trigger is a bit smoother and and mine releases all the way at the end of the pull - but it's a decent analog and works with all the gear
Which is better...green gas or CO2?
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I've seen that there is a S&W officially licensed version but it shoots at around 290-300 fps and the "Birg Bird" shoots around 300-330 fps. Don't know if that is a big difference or not with airsoft. The main difference I see in the two is no logos on the Big Bird and it has a safety and is about $40 cheaper. I don't mind spending the extra $40 bucks if the official version is better. I'd like to get a good Airsoft pistol to practice with but not sure which one to go with.
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When loading it would sometimes kick a shell underneath the lifter. Is it because I wasn't pushing the shell far enough into the tube and it wasn't getting caught by the shell stop? Yes.
On an unrelated question...What is the fastest and easiest way to unload your tube? Put gun on safe, eject shell from chamber, raise lifter gate with one hand, hold bolt release with other hand, watch all shells fall on the ground.
Thanks in advance for your help! You're welcome.
Thanks BigDawg!
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That's awesome! Gotta love girls with guns!
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My biggest frustration has been that you really need to use either an absolutely stock gun or go full out custom. The guys in the middle that aren't ready either because of skill level or budget to go into the Open Division are kinda left in an awkward position. I can't see why there can't be a middle ground there. Things like not being able to change out your trigger or have extended basepads are fairly inexpensive upgrades that can make a big difference but if you do them then you're thrown all the way from Production to Open.