TacticalReload
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I bought 5000 SP at a gun show in the area three months ago. I think it was $30 / 1k. I was hoping that it was a sign that they were becoming more available, but the same vendor didn't have any this time around.
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On 3/30/2017 at 6:05 PM, Quirk said:
Don't bother asking S&W on their website. I asked that exact question 4 weeks ago, and got what I read as a 'robo-reply'. of course it's possible something has changed since then....
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I've always found S&W customer service it be incredibly friendly and polite... as well as totally unhelpful during at least your first two or three attempts.
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I've thought about picking up for use with one in a ZEV slide withe a ZEV barrel... but I found someone online who said the slide wouldn't fully close when he used a factory slide and aftermarket barrel (I don't recall the brand of the barrel). He had to shave down the extractor a bit to get it to fully close. After I read that in conjunction with Apex's warning, I figured I would stick with the OEM extractor until I started experiencing problems.
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On 2/20/2017 at 5:17 PM, bigtimelarry said:
Have you bought one of the "tuned" connectors from him (not in a kit)? I'm curious what they look like... the Classic-GM kit I got from him had a connector that was thinned out considerably so it was a lot skinnier. I'm wondering if these are the same ones that he sells separatly.
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On 3/15/2017 at 6:57 PM, mike NM said:
Good info... I will proceed slowly..... Thanks
Yeah, definitely figure out first if you prefer lighter / creepy... or heavier / crisper. Think about it like pushing a wheelbarrow up a hill. The shallower the slope, the easier it is to push it up; but you have to push it farther to the same amount of elevation. A steep hill lifts the load more abruptly, but it's a lot harder to push.
In my experience, factory Glock triggers have so much creep in them that the lighter pull makes it more smoothly rolling. It's not like you're losing a very crisp factory break anyway.
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It would appear based on the information that is on the Zev website and from what I've seen online and in person on some Zev frames, it depends on the frame size. On full-sized frames (17, 22, 34, etc.), the bottom of the frame isn't modified and you can put a magwell on it later. On the compact-sized frames (19, 23), you need to send your magwell in with the gun at the time the grip is modified so it can be done around the magwell.
http://www.zevtechnologies.com/Grip-Service
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On 1/24/2017 at 9:32 AM, EngineerEli said:
I will say, I was under the impression the history of accuracy issues was more of an issue of twist rate with the older M1.0 guns, and that that was resolved a few years back. Wasn't it something like if you pull the barrel out and it has one or two dimples on the bottom, it is one of the new twist rates that provides better accuracy? I'm pretty sure bullet weight made a big difference too. I could be totally wrong, so others are welcome to chime in with the facts...
Do a search here for the M&P accuracy and Apex barrel thread(s). The issue was a LOT more complicated than twist rate.
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On 1/23/2017 at 2:08 PM, Magsz said:
I heard many years ago in a video released by Beretta stating that the M9A3 could be produced for LESS than what they're currently selling the M9 to the military for.
Perhaps that was an overly optimistic assessment? As it stands, the M9A3 retails for over a grand. Im assuming this is due to demand but the MSRP is still up there.
The 320 retails for a whole heck of a lot less than the M9A3 so perhaps the realities of cost were factored into the decision to go with the 320?
Perhaps. I find it hard to believe that any quality metal framed pistol could be produced for less than a comparable quality plastic pistol. However, with the M9A3, there would be no cost (time, money, resources) spent on training new armorers or retraining soldiers or buying new parts or holsters or mags because the old ones aren't compatible.
Regardless, time moves on and the M9 had to be replaced eventually. I suppose that anytime a company other than Glock gets a big award, it's good for the firearms industry because it keeps competition alive and well. I don't think this will have an overwhelming effect on the LE market since SIG just lost the FBI award to Glock (after the P320 supposedly failed the trial... or so says the internet) and LE seems to be very confident in the decisions of the Feds based on the mass migration from 9mm to .40 and then from the .40 back to 9mm again.
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That's probably the only legit beef with the gun along with the function and location of the manual safety. Both of these issues could have been remedied with the M9A3.
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On 1/20/2017 at 1:30 PM, JusticeOfToren said:
Anyone knows how did all 5 P320 sent to FBI for testing all failed? Was it functional failure or just failed to meet some strange requirements? I heard this from someone but curious to know a bit more details. Thanks.
I am very, very curious about this myself.
On 1/20/2017 at 10:39 AM, R34PER said:Knowing how the government contracting works through my business, I can assure you it wasn't a coincidence. Everything they've done was strategically for these government contracts and future contracts. What we got as a result is icing on the cake and help offsetting their costs. SIG could give a f*#$ about us when big daddy uncle sam warbucks is looking to make it rain.
It could also explain the interesting timing of the SIG line of ammo.
On 1/20/2017 at 0:15 AM, mrgrabow said:I am curious though, what were the problems with the M9 which warranted a wholesale replacement?
As we mentioned previously, I think the old M9 pistols were just that... old. From what I hear, they were never really subject to much PMCS. I think they took this opportunity to add features that they think they would like instead of ordering more M9s. I hate to think about how many tax dollars was spent on this evaluation process and how much more is going to be spent purely on logistical factors related to the change over. The contract is supposedly for $580 million and includes the guns, accessories, training, parts, etc. Seems like kind of a lot... $2000-3000 per gun. If they ordered more brand new M9 pistols or maybe the M9A1 or M9A3, they could have continued to use existing parts, accessories, mags, etc. and wouldn't have had to train anyone else. Oh well. Good for SIG... bad for us.
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My thoughts? Buy one now if you want one. Buy all the parts you think you'll need, as well, because it's likely you won't be able to find them soon. Supposedly the initial order is for something like 200k+ guns.
I have other thoughts, mainly wondering why Uncle Sam felt that it was warranted to spend so many of our tax dollars switching from a perfectly serviceable handgun... but that's for another thread, I suppose. I do predict, however, that we are going to start to hear grumblings before too long from people complaining about how the P320 is a POS... just like they did when the M9 went into service. Folks don't like change.
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It looks like the Apex parts are the same ones for the original M&P that also work in the 2.0. This leads me to believe that there aren't a lot of differences between the two guns, which kind of is a let down.
Hopefully some here will get their hands on one and give a thorough side-by-side comparison soon.
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On 1/3/2017 at 1:19 PM, Vlad said:
2) Can you get 5" without the loaded chamber indicator?
I was guessing that it's only present on the manual safety models due to state regulations. I could be wrong.
On 1/3/2017 at 1:36 PM, Domineaux said:So much fail with this, from what I can see and have read.
All that S&W needed to do to knock this out of the park was:
1. Replace hinged trigger with "Glock style" that every other manufacturer is now using.
2. Ensure proper barrel to slide fit to resolve accuracy issue in 9mm
The "pro" sear, slide lightening, and grip texture changes are the only improvements in my opinion.
I agree 100%.
On 1/3/2017 at 9:04 PM, bockerSV said:My understanding is this is basically the model used in the XM17 competition. S&W did not make it very far in that competition so I would be kind of curious to hear why and to know if issues seen during those tests were addressed before releasing to the public.
On 1/3/2017 at 9:04 PM, Magsz said:Probably horrible accuracy...................... Heh.
16 hours ago, bockerSV said:I agree, it was designed to be a "fighting pistol", I trust the Army did testing to it to determine if it would suite their needs as a fighting pistol and am just curious as to why they were dropped from the test so early on. That's all. Not crapping on S&W, I competed with a M&P for a while and actually kind of liked it.
If I were to guess, I'd say that it probably was an accuracy thing. We'll probably never know. However, the MHS trials had very strict accuracy requirements. IIRC, it's something like 90% of shots within 4" group at 50 yards. I'd be surprised if box-stock Glocks could consistently do that.
11 hours ago, Magsz said:Wow,
That was quick. That's how you release a product!
Yeah... it only took 11 years to recontour the slide, throw in an extra backstrap, and embed a steel frame into the dust cover. ;-)
Seriously though, I think that these guns had to be submitted to the military trials like a year ago. Ruger released the American Pistol the the public almost exactly a year ago after developing it for the MHS trials (despite deciding not to bother submitting it after all) and that was a ground up brand new gun. The M&P 2.0 appears to be very incrementally modified over version 1.0.
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From what I've seen online, it's embedded into the plastic. The gun really looks almost identical in most ways that really matter... at least from pics and videos.
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Now that the news has broken on the "updated" version of the gun (I'm thinking as a result of the MHS military trials where S&W was reportedly cut from recently)... here's to hoping that they got the poor trigger feel and the accuracy issues worked out.
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The trigger finger always worked better for me. However, I really don't like doing anything with that finger besides pulling the trigger. I know it might be a psychological thing, but I'm always afraid that if I give my trigger finger too many jobs that it might confuse one with the other. I don't want to get a "bang" when I really want the mag to drop. This is of course a training issue... but I have sooooo many repetitions with the standard mag release. Plus I also like shooting non-HK pistols as well. Going back and forth is a recipe for messing it up, IMO.
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Depending on how tightly the barrel is fit, the extra spring pressure really helps make sure the slide returns to and stays in battery, IMO.
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On 12/3/2016 at 5:21 PM, Nick179 said:
I purchased a sig p320 for uspsa as a new shooter, have an HK VP9 and a glock 19 that I could've used. I chose the 320 simply based on the feel of it in my hand and the fact that I could "practice" stippling the grip without having to order a new frame for $150 and ship to FFL. I use the standard 7.5# trigger. I went from never shooting a match to B class in production in 4 months. The trigger doesn't bother me. I've shot friends tuned limited guns with sub 2# triggers and I feel I shoot the same, timer doesn't show me a big enough difference to shell out the money and switch platforms. The time I put in everyday dryfire and at the range has made the biggest difference. Hopefully this upcoming season I'll make A class. Time will tell. As for Gray Guns parts, seems like the engineering and time it takes for someone to make a "drop in" trigger kit that joe blow can do in his basement is more complex that I could imagine. If someone calls for CS, who do they call? SIG or GG? Seems GG will have to be ready for that too. Then the mass production of parts that need to work correctly the first time and every time. From what little interaction I've had with Bruce and some team Sig members, Bruce is a perfectionist. Which I love. I want my drop in kit to perfect. I don't want a headache and regret for hurrying to get a flawed product. I'll happily shoot my 7# stock trigger and wait for the drop in kit to come out. As for other small parts seems like springer has that taken care of. Target model definitely won't be announced until after SHOT. If it is announced at all. But I'd say it will be if I was a betting man.
If you feel like a "better" trigger isn't going to help you, why are you going to spend $$$ on a GG drop in kit when they come out? I would hope that they won't be priced like his P-series kit; but if so, you're looking at $300-ish.
I think one of the things that bugged me a little about the P320 triggers is that I could line up half a dozen new pistols on the gun counter; and they would have 5 or 6 different pulls (weight, break, "double click", etc.).
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Meh. That sucks. I got excited for bit there.
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It was my understanding that Leupold discontinued the original Deltapoint. Now I'm seeing what looks like the original Deltapoint back on their website.
https://www.leupold.com/tactical/scopes/deltapoint-reflex-sights/
So, am I correct that the non-Pro version shown on the website is actually the original Deltapoint? And if so, does this mean it's available again? It seems like some of the pics I'm finding online say "Deltapoint 2" on the side... I wonder if this is a re-issue of the old DP or something different.
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11 hours ago, Hi-Power Jack said:
P.S. A "stock of 300 rounds" is almost no ammo at all ...
It is when the only gun I currently have running that will shoot it is my P226, which doesn't really serve a purpose other than general plinking... especially since I only have three 15 round mags for that pistol. In my defense, the "stock of rounds" was at 600 about a week ago.
I'd love to just push the bullets in a little further, but there is just enough of a crimp to strip off the coating and shave a little lead.
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On 11/15/2016 at 3:55 PM, PatJones said:
Nothing new. You ever try and order parts directly from SIG? It's not unusual for parts to be unavailable, even for something common like P238 grip screws.
SIG does not have the best customer service in the industry, they could learn a lot from Springfield.Unfortunately, it does seem like a pattern. I've been waiting on a warranty part for my P226 for quite some time. I'm sure not getting the FBI contract threw them for a loop, but that has nothing to do with product support and should, if anything, increase availability of parts / support.
Everywhere you go on the internet where SIGs are discussed, there are people who are impatiently waiting for something that supposedly was going to come out months (or years) earlier. The P320 Target, the P220 Legion, etc.... folks are waiting for new products and wondering when they will come out. Sadly, another trend is that a lot of people don't trust new products from SIG when they first hit the market since they have a tendency to (at least appear to) use early adopters as beta testers.
I love my SIGs (although I never warmed up to the P320 as much as I wanted to), but I'm not all that keen on their business strategy and procedures. To be fair, Glock -- arguably one of the kings of the competition circuit as far as use is concerned -- doesn't really do anything to support competition guns, either, aside from having a few select sponsored shooters and running very simplistic company sponsored GSSF matches. (Speaking directly to someone who used to run GSSF indoor matches... I was told that Glock is a real PITA to deal with regarding these matches.)
I know that it's hard for us here to see beyond the competition world, but I believe that most manufacturers don't care all that much about USPSA / IDPA (at least in terms of dedicating resources like time and money). I'm sure they don't see the investment as producing significant ROI. Aside form the base pistols, almost all the money spent by competitors goes to the aftermarket; and the general gun-buying public doesn't know anything about even the most prolific of competitive shooters, let alone what guns they use.
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Good to know it's not only me. I'm in the process of burning through my stock of the long OAL ammo in my SIG. I have about 300 left.
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On 11/19/2016 at 10:36 PM, ADulay said:
The Classifier has never required a cover garment.
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Understood. However, you missed the point of my post because it had contextual meaning as a response to a previous posting.
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I've had bad luck with Lone Wolf parts, including a G35 9mm conversion barrel.