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Also, I shot all my revolver classifiers with 6 shot speedloader gun in minor, what happens to the numbers running an 8 shot if the classifier has 8 shots.
Then you'll do a reload the 8 shooter shouldn't have to make. 6 major just gets better hit scoring. In my:
8 shooters scored minor with a >120PF
6 & 7 shooters, moonclip fed, scored major with a >160 PF, scored minor with a >120 to 160 PF
6 & 7 shooters, speedloader fed, scored major with a >120 PF
which I still think is the way to go, and hope will be considered, your speedloader 6 shooter would get major scoring. Gonna be the "gun of choice"? I doubt it but you'll have a better chance than you do now.
Nothings perfect but we have an almost non-existent division. Time to do something.
Edit: The MCC recognizes a speedloader "catagory". Anybody have a link to results for that? High speedloader? I checked the USPSA results listing but that doesn't show who shot speedloaders.
They do show who shot minor. Roger Davis Was high "minor" at 77.4% and 8th overall.
O.K. cool on your list shooting speedloaders at minor and scoring it major I would run speedloader what ever the match set up (8 shot arrays or not),
Not going to happen, opens up a big can of worms, minor = major in a division why not production etc,etc.
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Tom E
With you there but in a match with the now normal 8 shot arrays not so much.
Got a 627 yesterday just in case.
Also, I shot all my revolver classifiers with 6 shot speedloader gun in minor, what happens to the numbers running an 8 shot if the classifier has 8 shots.
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Then there's our classification system that should also be an equalizer.
How so ?
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"SSR is the speedloader division of IDPA, and is doing much better than ESR."
I think this is much much less about moonclips versus speedloaders and much much more about 105 PF versus 165 PF. I recently ran my first ESR Classifier with my SSR gun and 357 magnum and my hand was pretty tore up. It was neither fun nor pleasant.
" So what's the problem with making it plausable to shoot a speedloader fed gun? Think speedloaders are dead? ICORE created a class for them and they're alive and doing well. I thought the idea was to offer ideas to increase participation. "
Let's have a look-see...
2013 ICORE Attendance:
IRC: Classic, 36 Limited, 107 Open 81
Southwest Regional: Classic 12, Limited 35, Open 40
Rocky Mountain Regional: Classic 5 (Two A class guys and three unranked, with a 200 second gap between 2nd and 3rd...) 7 Limited, 23 Open
New England Regional: Classic 15, Limited 10 Open 9
Central States Regional: Classic 12, Limited 15, Open 8
East Coast Regional: Classic 8, Limited 21, Open 7
Obviously the attendance ratio varies in different regions. Who knows if this actually reflects attendance trends or if its just chance. For example, last year's East Coast Regional Championship only had 3 people shooting Classic. Not too good. The amount of Unranked shooters may also be telling: these might be people just "trying" Classic at a sanctioned match, as opposed to people who primarily shoot Classic. Or, perhaps they shoot a lot of Classic but just don't send in their classifiers - again, there's not enough data to be conclusive. That having been said, if you compare the ratio of speedloader to moonclip fed guns in all of these cases, it's always skewed towards moonclip guns.
No Classis division would have ment 88 less shooter in the listed matches, while the numbers are low the % on some matches is high.
Some state that speedloader is already legal in USPSA but nobody shoots it (or only a few), this is true but look at or for the reason.
Revolver shooting is a passion, you have to want to shoot it, it's hard work to get the reloads perfect, figure out stages 6rds at a time (or 8, ha easy) etc,etc, most people want to shoot on the weekend and have fun and to most, revolver is not fun and looks to be much like work.
I thought the point of this was "how to get more in the game".
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Thanks Bob & Tom
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I hope they go 6 shot speedloader and moonclip gun, as stated before people feel behind the curve running speedloader against moonclip, if you have a place to play with like gear (not against) more shooters may get in (may). Skill will sort out 8 shot moon 'V' 6 shot moon.
PS I like shooting my speedloader fed Ruger, have 8 speedloaders and holders.
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Thanks, just got your app 10 mins ago
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The East Coast Championship is just over a month away, Sept 14th at Caswell Ranch in NC, 12 stages-160rnds, good practice if you are going to the Nationals a week after, we have shooters coming from Ven-PR-Chile-Austria-Costa Rica. App is on line at www.caswellranch.com
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All stages must be set up in 6 shot groups, no more revolver problem, no need for new divisions, no advantage for 8 shots. SS and prod would have a few more reloads on some stages, O.K. It's been done before (8 shot groups) for SS.
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Joe, your GP is done see you Sunday, you should just sell the 625 to me sounds like a bad one
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Just my 2 cents, most people that have 6 shot 38spl speedloader fed guns feel behind the curve when running against a moonclip 625, this is what led to the split in IDPA and would have been fine but for the PF change ( they do not compete against each other so why), if PF had stayed at 125 for both I feel we would have more shooters in revolver (more so in ESR). The same reason that many do not shoot 38spl speedloader fed 686/19/GP etc in USPSA, if the division gave a place to play with both but not against each other it may lead to more shooters (may), PF should be based on what box you check no matter what you shoot, if you shoot SS etc you can shoot MIN/MAJ. If it's moonclip who cares 6 shot-8 shot maj-min both have pros and cons.
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Do what ICORE did with Classic (6 shot running speedloaders), LTD is anything running moon clips, chrono for major/minor
ICORE has no major, only a power factor of 120, and limited it basically the same as open without ports or optics.
Sorry, PF was in regards to USPSA not ICORE
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Classic = 6 shot speedloader, LTD = anything with moonclips, check box maj/min
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Do what ICORE did with Classic (6 shot running speedloaders), LTD is anything running moon clips, chrono for major/minor
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I'll wait and see what the new rules bring but looks to me like the 6 shot GP with speedloaders is for IDPA and a shot at DM at the S&W Indoor Nationals, 8 shot 627 for USPSA with stage set-up the way it is.