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7 hours ago, superdude said:
The sizing die does not need to be raised. If it was raised, it would not size the lower 4mm portion of the case.
Push through sizing dies are the only way to size the entire case & they work best with straight walled cartridges.
YMMV depending on what specific sizing die you're using.
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1 hour ago, superdude said:
The user would have to change the height of the seating, belling and crimping die positions when switching from 9x19 to 9x23. Not fun.
Sizing die must be raised also. I'm sure you're aware of that but, neglected to mention it.
I seat and crimp in separate steps. All dies must be adjusted in one way or another. I don't use a great variety of projectiles for 9x19 so, if I had a second set of dies, I could leave the dies used for 9x19 alone & have the second set up for 9x23. It would greatly streamline the change over from loading one cartridge to the other. Now, if I only had a dedicated powder dispenser for each cartridge, I'd really be in business...
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The cartridge is 9x23 Winchester. It's not the same as 9x19. There are many 9mm cartridges... 9x17 (380 auto), 9x18 (9 MAK), 9x19 (9 Luger), 9x21, 38super, 9x23 WIN, 9x25 Dillon... just to name a few. Some differ more than others. None are the same.
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The length of the case, in millimeters
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Interested in any experiences or critiques of the new 9x23 dies from Hornady.
Hornady # 546532
I've always read that everyone uses 9x19 dies from their manufacturer of choice adjusted to load the longer cartridge, so I've never purchased any 9x23 specific dies. I'm not a fan of readjusting the dies each time I want to change from 9x19 to 9x23 so I'm thinking of getting another set. Just wondering if they're worth it.
Currently my only Hornady dies are for 458 Socom & I'm not overly impressed. I upgraded to their micrometer seating arrangement & I have to admit that I feel the Redding micrometer seating die I have for another caliber is superior.
I'm not terribly brand loyal. I have dies from Redding, RCBS, Lyman & Lee that I really like for particular applications. The Hornady dies I have do their job but, I've always wondered if I'd prefer Redding dies for the 458. Just wondering if they've built a superior mouse trap with their new offering for 9x23.
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I have tried to answer this question all day and I think "my favorite" is that I don't have to pick just one.
I really like my .450Bushmaster and my .450Corvette, as well as the 6.5PCC and the .22LR. The KelTec Sub2000 cured me of the want of a 9mm AR.
Please tell us more about your experience with the 6.5 PCC. What length barrel did you purchase and what powders & projectiles have you used? Do you hunt with it & what distances have you tested the accuracy to?
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I have 2 SLR adjustable gas blocks, I'm happy with both
Disclaimer: they're on a 308 & a 458 Socom... not 5.56/223
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Yeah I'm going to drill and tap when I get access to a lathe. I wish there was something .005 lower then the egw. To me that would be perfect for mag seating and feeding.
Any reason you couldn't lower the shelf slightly on the EGW mag catch? It would be a lot less work than modifying all your mags...
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Burs throughout... word recognition software on my phone got me, I didn't catch it's 'correction'
Mine is TE 80xx, lower than yours.
I'm very curious how the SVI compares, is it 10mm as well?
The 126mm mag (supplied w/gun) feed lips measured .050" shorter than an unmodified .40 mag. It and the one other mag I received (that looked like someone made an attempt to 10mm ize) clearly were done free hand dremmel style. With the sort of results you'd expect from such mods...
I've used:
Remington 180gr MC
Rainier and Berry's 180gr TCFP plated
Hornady 180gr XTP & HAP
Speer 155gr Gold Dot (where I learned of COAL limitations)
Nosler 135gr JHP
and 175gr SWC & 180gr TCFP from a local caster
A year into ownership, I've replaced everything except the frame, slide, barrel, rear sight, firing pin and it's spring.
My mag mods consist of shortening the feed lips to .450" ish, setting the width between the lips to .388" (parallel), squaring the tubes and polishing them internally.
I'm considering some Grams springs and followers
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We must have gotten pistols from the same batch... lol
We should compare notes sometime...
How's the fit of your barrel? Did you find a lot of burst throughout, as well?
I imagine the mags will be a never ending battle, 10mm shooters are in the extreme minority amongst double stack 1911 users...
Edited to add:
If your's truly is the same as mine, you will be really annoyed when you try to change your main spring housing or mag well.
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Sorry I'm late. Maybe some of this will help you if you haven't worked out all the bugs yet.
STI recommends keeping COAL at 1.250" or less. Some bullet profiles can be loaded longer and still work. I've encountered mag feed issues with certain HP bullets that have large diameter cavities.
Almost all the issues I had with mine were mag related. Of the three additional mags I purchased with the pistol originally, only one was not a regular .40 mag. To feed the 10mm reliably the feed lips must be shorter than a .40 mag. Also, the rounds would sometimes bind against each other where the mag forces them to begin to align vertically. Polishing the ribs and interior walls of the tube helped with this issue, as would better mag springs. Verify the followers do not bind in the tubes themselves, this can be from the tubes being out of square or due to inconsistencies in the followers themselves.
Basically, every aspect of the feed way must be nearly perfect for this pistol to consistently function and as shipped it fell short to say the least.
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I have an STI Edge in .40 S&W and would also like to install a longer flat trigger in it.
Aren't there any long, flat triggers made to fit STI grips? Are these Infinity triggers the only choice?
Everglades Ammunition makes a flat solid aluminum trigger that fits the STI plastic grip. It's a bit oversized, in my grip but, is of good quality. It has an adjustable over travel stop screw, a pre travel adjustment tab and is long with no holes to allow it to be shortened and or shaped any way you like.
I'm not affiliated with the company in any way. I have 2 of their triggers and I'm happy with them. I found them when searching for an alternative to the offerings from STI & Infinity...
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doesn't get much shorter than this.
modified_2.jpgThat looks like fun. Very nice, thanks for sharing
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I suggested the bull barrel for the added mass to help mitigate recoil, if you want a sight tracker they are even heavier (than bull)
Aluminum frame is nice and light, to carry. I prefer a heavier gun, especially when shooting 10mm. Carrying an all steel full size 1911 doesn't bother me
Everyone prefers something different. Each person's unique build may make a different shape or weight pistol more or less comfortable or concealable
Nice piece Freakshow
I always thought a 10mm CCO would make a nice little carry gun. You probably wouldn't want to shoot more than a couple hundred rounds per outing with it though... unless your really tough.
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SVI could build you a commander sized double stack 10mm with a steel grip, just saying
I'm sure SVI can build you a commander how ever you would like, and I'm sure it will be awesome. I would go with a bull barrel for 10mm, if I were you. You could always do a second barrel in .40 with a bushing for gun games, so your good where a bull barrel isn't allowed and you won't have to look for your brass
Dan Wesson used to make 10mm commanders, not sure if they still do
I was thinking of Fusion but heard of more than a few people not happy with theirs. Ended up ordering a custom stainless commander sized 10mm double stack short block (with a stainless grip) from one of BE's Vendors. Much more affordable than SVI and a considerably shorter wait.
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Thank you
Also, Glenn added the go fast ball cuts to the front sight block which will reduce stage times by 2.5%.
I think I am going to go ahead and cut back the dust cover to SDC length, and then I will need to do something with the "Unique" slide profile, either ball stirrup cuts or I might just do a 45 deg cut.
I may have to give Glenn another call, he didn't offer me the 'go fast' cuts. I would like the 2.5% reduction... ;-)
It would look good if you could continue your ball cut on the sight mount onto the slide, to tie the two together visually (when in battery). You may even gain another 1 or 2% reduction if your go fast cuts were larger...
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1 month update:
Just got the gun back from Glenn at LSI after two rounds of lightening. The first was to add scallops to the barrel, and put a taper from the chamber towards the muzzle. That helped, but still didn't quite give me the feel I was looking for.
I sent it back to him to do it how he had recommended it in the first place- he took the barrel down to bushing diameter and cut the slide for a Briley spherical bushing.
Getting more weight out of the barrel was just the ticket! I tried it with 180s and 165s today and it was amazing! I like the 165s the best. Still need to chrono but those loads made 169 out of a slow 5" so I am pretty sure I am safely in major.
It is amazing- in a dark indoor range from the first shot to the last I could watch the front sight lift and return. It is soft, flat, and the slide velocity is great. It weights 37 oz all dressed out with everything installed. It is so easy to make follow up shots when you can watch the sight return to the target- catch it on the way down so to speak- I am loving it. Now if I can just get the driver tuned up by Nationals...
Id definitely do a bushing. Glenn has it figured out between the U Trac and this one. If I already had a tracker, I would probably get some flutes done to get more weight out of the barrel. The barrel, sight block, and bushing add up to 6.8 oz, so it is a bit heavier than my 5" bull, but some of that weight is mitigated by having the slide cut back- its really cut back to just over commander length- a 4.3" barrel would be flush with the barrel.
Starting with a 5" slide, 6" bushing barrel and 1" of Ti for the front sight would probably be the simplest way to do it. Only change I am considering is possibly cutting back the dust cover all the way to short dust cover length, or maybe having some pockets done on the inside of the dust cover area to see if I could get another oz out. I could have some cuts done in the slide but I really like not having holes through my slide to let in dust and debris. It may not be right for everyone but this sure is right for me!
Sounds awesome. Any chance you'd be willing to post pics of the lightening work that was done? Or any more pics of the pistol at all...
I'm waiting for my turn (for a LSI short block). I'm glad you're happy with your pistol.
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Never had to buy any new 45 brass. Found very little used 10mm brass that was worth having. Totally different animal, in that regard...
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Nice. You can never have enough 10mm 1911/2011s...
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Looks good. Did the longer sight radius help in your match?
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Lol... looks polished to me
That is gonna look awesome with a black grip, and be awesome with a steel grip.
May I ask, is your grip Ceracoated? Did it come that way, from PT?
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Why not go 9x23 instead of 9x25? Same performance as .357 magnum if that's what you're after and will really simplify your life in terms of the reloading process. I have a 9x23 reamer if you decide to go that route.
On the plus side, 9x23 uses a 9mm breach face & will get an extra round or 2 in the mag but, brass is probably just as difficult or worse because 9x25 can be made from 10mm brass...
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Load data would be great. I'm going to fit a .356 barrel to a 6" 10mm 2011 in the near future, and I've not been able to find much load data. There is some talk of 9x25 on the Glock forum but, I would like to try to verify the data is sound with as many sources as possible to ensure safety.
anyone tried the new 9x23 dies from Hornady?
in 9mm/38 Caliber
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I'd like to size the 9x23 cases as correctly as possible & avoid overworking the brass. Using the 9x19 sizing die I currently have creates a coke bottle shaped loaded round.
I had a similar Issue with 45 Colt using a modern carbide sizing die, for the same reason. That cartridge Is not straight walled either. I found a solution In a set of RCBS dies made In '72. I'd love to find a sizing die that correctly forms the case of 9x23 but would prefer a carbide die so that case lube Is not required.
I did call Nowlin and they said they don't make a sizing die.
I can call other die makers and Inquire & that will be my next step. I may also purchase the Hornady die set just to satisfy my curiosity. I was just hoping someone here had already tried them.
Is there any company currently making/selling a sizing die that has been tested & Is known to correctly sizes the case for 9x23?
Any suggestions on a die maker other than the major, well known brands that I should check with?