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5 hours ago, Nimitz said:
Why don't we mandate that ROs must be certified like with USPSA? And please don't give me that bovine scatology that we don't have enough ROs. You want to hold a sanctioned match? Your ROs better be certified, simple. This of course means HQ and DNROI will need to step up to supply the training but that sound like what our activity fees are for ....
That's going to cause some people's heads on this thread to explode:)
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Pretty hard for the RO to call hits and misses without going down range every time to verify face hits vs edge hits. Don't think it would work well functionally.
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Targets height variation can play a pretty big factor in perceived height actually. You have to take into consideration people of different heights to really see the difference. For someone 5'6"-5'10" let's say (since that's probably the average height of the normal shooter), small variations in height won't be noticed. Take someone that is 4'6" or 6'4" and those small changes in height make a big difference, especially on the closer targets. For me, sitting in a wheelchair, the closer stages like roundabout have more height variation than pendulum.
Does it matter in the whole scheme of things? No. Might it matter a tenth here or there, yes. But just like the rest of the arguments in this thread, the best shooters are still going to be the fastest, and the others are going to make excuses.
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13 hours ago, davsco said:
i've always thought that steel challenge rules should be totally identical to uspsa rules (range commands, safety, guns and mods, gear and placement and capacity, etc). lose the power factor and have to add language for rimfires. lots of folks play both games so why have any differences creating confusion, and if the rules are the same for everyone, that shouldn't be a problem. sure i'm missing some issues but consistency vs inconsistency would be nice.
This^^^
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Awesome idea on the three different "Master" awards. Well done!!!
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While I loved the range, and they ran a great match, it's crazy to keep holding it in California...
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A little perspective from a wheelchair shooter that has to deal with this. I'm out there to compete, not just have fun. That being said, I'm not worried about fair, as much as I am getting it competitive and right.
My biggest issue is that it is not standardized from match to match. I always try to get the MD to give me a penalty. I do not believe at all that they should be able to just waive the procedural just because I'm handicapped. It's not fair to the other competitors, and I feel like they are just taking pity on me because I'm in a wheelchair. It's very belittling. I would strongly urge taking that option out of the rule book completely. It should also be clear that it is only there for when it's needed, not to take advantage and game the system.
At my level though (M and GM times on most stages) I also believe 3 seconds is too much. I have looked at video, talked to top shooters, taken splits, and looked at my times vs top times, crunched the percentages, and it's way too much. 1.5 seconds is much closer to realistic, but that's not enough for D and C class shooters either. You would almost have to have a different penalty for each level of classification, but that would be a pain for the score keepers to track. It would be the closest to parity you can get though.
Basically, it is not possible to come up with a single penalty that correctly addresses all skill levels. The only way to even it out is take the movement out of Outer Limits which will make 50% of the shooters happy, and piss off the other 50%. That being said, I'm all for it so I can truly measure myself against the best. When I want to move around and shoot, I go to a USPSA match...
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Spreadsheets are sent to those that have asked. Sorry for the delay.
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Sorry. Have been busy moving. Will try to get it to you this weekend!
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Should I believe everything I see on the internet now Zach?:) Just kidding. Glad to hear it will be sanctioned but sorry to see it leaving Florida.
Everyone have fun at the WSSC this weekend. Wish I could be there but a new job is keeping me from it. Will be at more in the future!
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If you look at the U.S. Steel Nationals website in the upper right hand corner it says "2017 match is headed for the Atlanta area". An RO told me that was correct as well. Just going off the best info I have at the moment.
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Heard it from one of the ROs. It's on the website too. Somewhere in the Atlanta area.
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Steel Nationals are going to be in Georgia next year. My schedule might be opening up a little though so I might be able to make it to Pennsylvania for one or two of the big matches out there next year too:)
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Why did they not use the rimfire times from the world shoot last year? That makes a huge difference in my classification...
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You are the ones that choose to live there. Not me. We all make choices. I applaud companies like Barret that refuse to even do business with the state. Maybe if other gun companies pulled out and the law enforcement organizations couldn't secure firearms, now THAT would make a statement.
I will stick to the other states in the West that support our sports. I went last year and it was a very well run match indeed. If I shot single stack, production, or revo I would still come. Since I shoot limited and open though, it's notv worth it to take a chance doing something that would jeopardize my ability to ever own guns again.
Sorry mods. I'm done.
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Went last year, but the new laws go too far. Canceling tickets and hotel reservations next week. Needs to be moved from California permanently and I hope USPSA figures that out. Went last year because there were ways around it, but not anymore.
Hope to see you all in Georgia for the Steel Nationals next spring!
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First GM ever in Alaska!!! RFPO!
Love it!
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I have two of the knock offs. Both are junk. Ended up going with a real cmore for my airsoft gun. Like they always say, you get what you pay for.
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Are these stats for just classifiers, or full matches? How many people are shooting CO classifiers just to get a classification in the new division? I know of several people that have done that. Might that lead to a big increase now and a slow down in numbers once the novelty has worn off? Or maybe it really will be the new hotness and continue to grow...
Just curious your thoughts. Guess we will see.
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Not all of us that are "less than fully mobile" are out there to just have fun:)
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Let Many and Sean know! I think I would wait a few weeks though. I'm betting right now they don't even want to think about next year:)
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Scores were up fairly fast, but awards got screwed up the past two years because of the program they were using. Some of the junior categories in particular. There is lots of pressure and support to go to practiscore next year for scoring, registration, and squadding which would be nice!
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At both the world champs and nationals it was a reshoot only on that string, and continue with the remainder of the strings. Happened for both broken bolts and cut posts (not to me personally).
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Usually takes them a few days to get posted to the website. Sounds like next year they are going to try to go to practiscore.
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Everyone should have a copy that has asked. Noetzelj, I should be able to get one to you Wednesday.
Thanks! Glad to see so many people getting usage out of it.
Dan