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    IPSC World Shoot XVII, Florida 2014: FAQ

    in Match Announcements - Pistol Only - USPSA, IPSC & Misc.

    Posted

    To flay this dead horse one last time I have not seen anybody quote any part of the IPSC rules that say Nils' mag was either carried or drawn from a position that would result in a bump to Open. Plenty of strong opinion about what things are or are not but that doesn't really count for all that much.

    Can we talk about the rest of the match now too?

    the picture you posted is pertains to equipment positioning (holsters and mag pouches). i have quoted the rule book so many times and i'll quote it again

    5.2.4 Spare ammunition, magazines and speed loaders should be carried in retention devices specifically designed
    for that purpose. Carriage of additional magazines and speed loaders in REAR pockets of shorts or trousers is
    also approved.
    one guy said the pocket is a retention device but short/pants pockets are not "specifically designed" to carry a mag. it can, yes but you can also put other stuff there like keys, lighters etc. Mag pouches are "specifically designed" for the mag
    it is clearly stated REAR POCKETS, not side not front but REAR and imho, nils should be in open. anyway, there is a protest lodged re this matter, let's just wait

    IPSC World Shoot XVII, Florida 2014: FAQ

    in Match Announcements - Pistol Only - USPSA, IPSC & Misc.

    Posted · Edited by bonglee0507

    Mr. Lee,

    Respectfully, you have already declared Bob's gun to be prohibited and then later allowed in this thread. You are making assumptions based on second hand information, and switching to rumors or pure fiction instead of referencing the IPSC rulebook. Nils is a great sportsman if you have never met him.

    Neomet,

    Thanks for posting- I had just screencapped and was going to post that myself. It looked pretty clear to me... nice dotted lines and everything.

    And that is a great point. There is a lot more going on than controversy and rumor.

    I for one love the Live Shots coverage. It is a great supplement to the study of shooting better. I have also been running some spreadsheets each night with the results to see if I can spot any trends or changes. It is interesting, the things that can be seen, especially when comparing with USPSA nationals last month.

    I am looking forward to following the last day tomorrow! It really is a treat that we get to participate from afar, with results and video, even though that might be abused from time to time. It is a great sport- and where else can so many countries get together with guns and get along?

    Nils aint a rumor and its clearly states in te rulebook

    5.2.4 Spare ammunition, magazines and speed loaders should be carried in retention devices specifically designed

    for that purpose. Carriage of additional magazines and speed loaders in REAR pockets of shorts or trousers is

    also approved.

    5.2.4.1 For table starts or similar, after the Start Signal, the competitor may carry those items anywhere on

    their person, and this will not be treated as contravention of Divisional rules.

    Back read a little bit i have quoted the rules many times and sorry, im here at florida so that ain't 2nd hand. Are you here???

    RULES ARE RULES folks. Dont circumvent it

    IPSC World Shoot XVII, Florida 2014: FAQ

    in Match Announcements - Pistol Only - USPSA, IPSC & Misc.

    Posted

    End of subject, lets move on! Lol! Last day of competition! Ben trailing by 30 pts to Frenchie! Hope he shoots awesome today!

    enough of the justifications! it's a violation in IPSC

    Bonglee,

    Please refer to Appendix E2 in the current IPSC rulebook. It very clearly demonstrates the hipbone and the requirement for placement of equipment. You may also notice the drawing includes a cargo pocket completely within the limits indicated by the appendix. If you look at the photo posted you will see it is in compliance with the indications of the Appendix. I do not know whether they are considering it a device designed to retain ammunition or a pocket that is to the rear of the front pockets, but we do know that the ROs who are at the match and witnessed the stage in person have approved him starting with ammunition in that location and did not assess a penalty. To say that it is a violation is unsubstantiated and inconsistent with the rulebook.

    Enough of the excuses. What nils did was against ipsc in fact he's denying that he changed mag from the pocket so if its legal how come he's denying it

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    IPSC World Shoot XVII, Florida 2014: FAQ

    in Match Announcements - Pistol Only - USPSA, IPSC & Misc.

    Posted · Edited by bonglee0507

    Man, he absolutely ripped the stage, too, after his recovery.

    Is Bob Vogel shooting with a pistol light/weight on the rail? Can't tell from the vids.

    putting on external weights are allowed in ipsc standard

    oops. i just heard that bob voggel put a flashlight on his gun and per rulebook that is not allowed. weights are allowed not electronic devices

    Man, he absolutely ripped the stage, too, after his recovery.

    Is Bob Vogel shooting with a pistol light/weight on the rail? Can't tell from the vids.

    putting on external weights are allowed in ipsc standard

    oops. i just heard that bob voggel put a flashlight on his gun and per rulebook that is not allowed. weights are allowed not electronic devices

    It's old news. He's been running it that way for a while.

    The "light" has no internals in it. It has been decided that it is no longer a "light".

    If thats the case then its fine. With regards to the Nils case, are tac shorts/pants considered equipment???

    Sent from my Xiaomi Mi3

    IPSC World Shoot XVII, Florida 2014: FAQ

    in Match Announcements - Pistol Only - USPSA, IPSC & Misc.

    Posted · Edited by bonglee0507

    it also says specifically designed for that purpose, with the exact size and placement of that pocket I would say that it is specifically designed to store a mag.

    it's a pocket. and the rule book states, REAR pocket, not side pocket, not front pocket but REAR. The "speifically designed" thing you are talking about pertains to "retention devices" are tactical pants/shorts considered "retention devices'?

    IPSC World Shoot XVII, Florida 2014: FAQ

    in Match Announcements - Pistol Only - USPSA, IPSC & Misc.

    Posted

    What is the violation? The frt pocket thing? If its a violation why is he making it tru the equipment checks on the stages?

    5.2.4 Spare ammunition, magazines and speed loaders should be carried in retention devices specifically designed
    for that purpose. Carriage of additional magazines and speed loaders in REAR pockets of shorts or trousers is
    also approved.
    5.2.4.1 For table starts or similar, after the Start Signal, the competitor may carry those items anywhere on
    their person, and this will not be treated as contravention of Divisional rules.
    clothes are not equipment

    IPSC World Shoot XVII, Florida 2014: FAQ

    in Match Announcements - Pistol Only - USPSA, IPSC & Misc.

    Posted

    What is the violation? The frt pocket thing? If its a violation why is he making it tru the equipment checks on the stages?

    5.2.4 Spare ammunition, magazines and speed loaders should be carried in retention devices specifically designed
    for that purpose. Carriage of additional magazines and speed loaders in REAR pockets of shorts or trousers is
    also approved.
    5.2.4.1 For table starts or similar, after the Start Signal, the competitor may carry those items anywhere on
    their person, and this will not be treated as contravention of Divisional rules.

    IPSC World Shoot XVII, Florida 2014: FAQ

    in Match Announcements - Pistol Only - USPSA, IPSC & Misc.

    Posted · Edited by bonglee0507

    End of subject, lets move on! Lol! Last day of competition! Ben trailing by 30 pts to Frenchie! Hope he shoots awesome today!

    enough of the justifications! it's a violation in IPSC. the RO just did not see

    http://www.liveshots.net/livelinks_2014ws/28Nils%20Jonasson.mov?width=640&height=360

    from the ipsc rule book

    5.2.4 Spare ammunition, magazines and speed loaders should be carried in retention devices specifically designed
    for that purpose. Carriage of additional magazines and speed loaders in rear pockets of shorts or trousers is
    also approved.
    5.2.4.1 For table starts or similar, after the Start Signal, the competitor may carry those items anywhere on
    their person, and this will not be treated as contravention of Divisional rules.

    Tungsten Barrels

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    Posted · Edited by bonglee0507

    Looks great! I am guessing the barrel starts out longer and is cut back to fit the IPSC box?

    Also, I havent seen that magwell before. Is it custom or is it a larger magwell milled to fit the box?

    I bet it is very stable with the metal grip frame. I handled a couple of jumbo tungsten Metrillo(sp?) 2011s a few weeks back and they felt very solid and definitely had quite a bit of weight forward.

    It's a fabricated/home made magwell that fits the ipsc box. The barrel is originally a 6 inch kkm barrel cut to 5.3 to fit also the ipsc box. This gun will be used in the world shoot this october

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