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16 minutes ago, THS said:
Consuming alcohol will get you fired if you are carrying a duty firearm. Most states also void your ccw privileges if you have ANY alcohol in your system. My million dollar umbrella policy is also voided if I was armed and had alcohol in my system.
Not worth the risk.
laws in the south.. SC — DUI levels is the law.. this changes for people based on drivers license. Commercial class a/b versus C licenseNC — Detectable alcohol is the law..
GA — this is unique — they have a discharge law.. as in no law I could find that mentioned drinking while carrying… only if you discharge and are over .08.. but anyway..
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6 minutes ago, THS said:
What is missing here is common sense- If the person had the sense to tell a match official they were armed with a loaded duty or carry gun BEFORE they did something unsafe then they need to be treated with some COMMON SENSE.
The correct answer was "Go back to your car, remove the loaded weapon and store it in your car." Most matches I have attended tell people to leave their duty or carry gun in their car. IF, and that is a big IF in this case, a match official, RO etc. took the person downrange and told them to ULSC, then applied the DQ, then the RO should be DQ'd for being a Fudd. I have a hard time telling someone that following direction from a match official is DQ able.
It is not about how many matches- it is about having the sense to ask an RO when you realize you have your carry gun on. If you fail to get someone to clear you out in a safe location- against the back berm perhaps- then the DQ is applied.
It is VERY easy to 'forget' you have an ankle holster on assuming you wear one EVERY DAY. Would you rather I just shoot the match and say nothing, or that I ask an RO to clear me so I can bag it?
I’m sorry. But your post literally just says to go to the car and HANDLE a loaded weapon…
That is ABSOLUTELY the wrong way to have common sense… handling a firearm at the car is a DQ, with the exceptions written in for a PCC.
the rules are very clear.. go to an RO, tell them.. and then they will clear it per the rules… and all is well..
been there done that..
please tell me how what you reccomend is common sense, or even a better idea of safer than clearing under the supervision of an RO? And how sending him/her to a car to handle and unload is not a DQ in and of itself?
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Personally, I think the ROs on that stage failed the shooter.
he came and asked… and at that point, he should have been taken directly to a safe area or down range… ULSC… and then all done…no DQthat’s how I would have handled it.. and that is how it would have been handled at most matches….
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If someone shows up with a loaded firearm… they either use an unloading station, or goes directly to a match official… this is covered in 2.5.1 and 2.5.2…
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30 minutes ago, ColoradoNick said:
If the barrel was painted and you can see the strike it's a mike. I believe the only reason it scores is if it was considered soft cover in the WSB.
If it was a full diameter hit you are correct..
if it a graze.. the score counts.. but if. You can’t tell which one is the full diameter and should be a Mike.. it is a reshoot …
and if it were to hit steel— it is a reshoot..
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It’s mostly common sense..
but a few things that have been not so common..
1. put the table and fault lines so someone can’t stand outside of the fault lines and use the table as a loading bench for mags.. some have done that and they are “outside” of the safety area.. so it’s ok.. and that’s a drama and rules grey area that people don’t need..
2. situate the safe area so that it won’t interfere with a stage and define it well. USPSA rules will help with this.
3. build it so it is 3 sides and people can’t walk up and have muzzles pointed at them..
4. Some ranges build it with railroad ties and make it a U shaped box.. so muzzles can’t be seen outside of the safe area.. others use dirt berms.. all good ideas..
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9 hours ago, motosapiens said:
I've mentioned this before, but I would probably go dirtbiking rather than shoot in squads of 17. If we get to that point here, I would probably try to go to a morning and afternoon shift, or leave the stages up for sunday too, so we can get two full shifts of 70-ish through. Just need a second MD to supervise teardown and post combined scores. Of course not every club can leave the stages set up that long, but we are fortunate in that our matches only use about half of our available pistol bays, so non-competing club members still have plenty to do.
Agreed.. if a local was that big, I’d be doing something else that day..
I dislike the 13-14 shooter squads in the summer too..
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It’s a little early in the year for matches.. many clubs in north have not even started to hold match… if you’re only looking at matches from A2, 4,6 and some of 8 you will not see all of the US…
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10 hours ago, CClassForLife said:
I'm assuming it's this stage.
Wow… shooting thru a barrel that close is not good.. and since it is a double.. it is likely over 5’9” making it to infinity… so that’s another issue..
and with stories of bullets coming BACK at the shooter in the last couple years… I would not have tried that..
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14 minutes ago, CClassForLife said:
At the very minimum, you get an FTSA for not activating the target. So you got scored the most lenient way possible. See 9.9.2 in combo with 9.9.3. Specifically, "Activated scoring targets which do not comply with the above criteria are considered disappearing targets and will not incur failure to shoot at or miss penalties, unless they are not activated (Rule 9.9.3 applies). Activated appearing scoring targets will always incur failure to shoot at and miss penalties if a competitor does not activate the target movement either before or with the last shot fired in a course of fire."
In a funny turn of events, you got scored exactly how you intended. Although, it's -25 points not -5 as you calculated (-10 for miss, -10 for FTSA procedural for the disappearing target, -5 for potential hit).
As for your question, let's say there's a long wall perpendicular to your view. Also, let's say that there's a target behind this wall. If you "shoot at" this target, you should get disqualified on the spot. What you did was so strange that it probably didn't compute in the moment, and they gave you the benefit of the doubt.
Three possible results:
- -25 points (-10 miss, -10 FTSA for disappearing, -5 potential hit)
- -35 points (-10 miss, -10 FTSA for disappearing, -10 FTSA for steel, -5 potential hit)
- DQ
It wasn’t a. Activating target… just a popper….
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46 minutes ago, mreed911 said:
I personally think that’s a stretch. The definition of engage, however, does not require one shot “on” target. It does require actively aiming at.It says AT a target… so to your point.. FTSA… can’t shoot, or engage a target thru hard cover… if it goes thru hard cover you just proved the point of why you should get an FTSA…
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7 minutes ago, mreed911 said:
Great. So I say I can see it. Shorter RM says he can’t. I believe I have a view and engage the target, the only shot is into the hardcover.FTSA?
If it went into the hard cover… then it was blocked.. if it was blocked, then engage definition includes 1 shot on target and specifically mentions thru hardcover… so therefore IMHO, the FTSA is tied to not being able to engage… FTSA—
now the DQ— I would agree that purposefully shooting thru a prop to gain an advantage—
as defined by Wikipedia…
Cheating generally describes various actions designed to subvert rules in order to obtain unfair advantages.
you specifically mentioned you did this to save time or rather to gain a scoring advantage….
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You can’t engage it if you can’t see it.. says that in the definition of engaging….
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5 minutes ago, BZ919 said:
Theoretically, a bullet cannot pass through hardcover, so it’s impossible to engage a target by shooting through hardcover. Yes, if the steel fell it’s an REF reshoot. Absent that, it’s FTSA and a Mike
And that is supported by the definition of engaging per A3…
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4 minutes ago, mreed911 said:
1. No. It was all about time, skipping an position in exchange for one miss. The HF difference adding in the time to move and get the hit was worse.
2. barriers, making them hard cover per the rules
3. Yes, usually decently run by competent staff. Today was a s#!t show all around, shooter included.
Remember… the WSB can define barrels as soft cover.. hence my question…
I can see your argument, and I can see the MDs argument..
When you say the full cal zone was visible, was it visible due to your height? And no one else is as tall? How tall was the barrel? Was it a single barrel?
or 2? Was it a gap between the barrel and the hard cover steel plate?could that plate and barrel be considered a plane?
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Interesting situation…..
1. at any time is the steel target closer than 23 ft in your scenarios? If yes, why did you try it?
2. Are the barrel(s) explicitly defined as soft cover?
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I don’t recall a gun ever being removed from the list… if you look, I’d say never removed unless it was determined not to fit production.
which I can’t remember ever happening..
case in point— Smith and Wesson 4506
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Smith_&_Wesson_Model_4506
last produced in 1999..
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51 minutes ago, Balakay said:
I would propose SAO, frame mounted optics, magwells allowed, compensators allowed and ported barrels optional
I would explicitly ban DA/SA because having to advanced in a dremel may discourage participation. Excessive amounts of polishing compound may lead to premature metal fatigue
If flashlights and lasers will bring new shooters into this port, I fully support them too. Same thing with AIWB
It would also be mandatory, if you want to shoot this to division, to continuously post on this forum regarding the relative merits of the division as well as a weekly email to your section coordinator, area director and YML
with the Exception of the dremel and SAO, how is this different than open?
I don’t see the point…what am I missing?
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I’ve said this for years… and echo all your comments..
I add that competitors should also reset and paste targets. “I’m 3 deep in the hole and need to stay dry to have a good run” is garbage…
people that do that are seen and laughed at behind the scenes..
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This is common… no harm no foul…..
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Submit both for Chrono..
if you don’t, it is possible that you might be suspected of unsportsmanlike conduct.
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Rowdy has it pretty close…
if you buy from a certified ammo provider, then that is what the new match is talking about?
what match are you talking about?
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Look up rule 2.3.1 and the following rules..
that covers removing a stage
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We had this happen at a major a few years ago.. well almost.. competitor came to us and said I’m going to do this.. but if the angle is right the round might go over the berm..
I used 3.2.3 and modified the WSB as it was a safety issue…
in your case if the match hasn’t started— just fix it.. if it has started, declare forbidden action and force a reshoot..
USPSA physicality poll
in USPSA/IPSC Shooting
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A good stage could do both.. if you are a good shot, you could avoid a run by a LONG range shot, but if physical you could run it..
make it a good challenge to figure it out one way or the other… but it a fine line.