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Nice! I think anyone using the 1301 could benefit from this just for peace of mind. Took me less than 15 minutes start to finish, most of that time was spent looking for my stone.
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This past weekend I experienced the same failure to feed from the tube as y'all are describing. It started after I installed a Nordic +2 on my 1301 Tactical. When I installed it, I elected to use the factory magazine tube spring as it was already a little over 12" past the extended tube. I'll assume its the correct length due to the 1301 Tactical being equipped with a +2 from the factory on the non-importable model (922r blah, blah, blah, which is neither here nor there for this discussion.)
This might lead one to believe the problem is too much spring pressure with the additional 2 cartridges for a total of 7, but wait... my Mossberg 930 had the same problem which was solved by polishing the face of the cartridge latch which contacts the shell (I believe that fix is described in one of the many 930 threads). Pulled it apart this morning and took a ceramic stone the the cartridge latch and problem solved.
So, theres that to consider.
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Bossman...just an fyi.....on the comp version the butt pad is screwed into a frame that is held in the stock by this QD piece.....maybe the tactical is different? But if it isnt....the pad could come loose
Actually it screws into the insert (43) they used in place of the Kick Off, which is held on by the stock nut (29&30), which in turn the butt pad (33) screws into.
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I don't have the Comp but I do have the Tactical. The stocks are the same except the Tactical has a standard swivel stud, I took it off because I don't use it, simply unscrew it. Looking at a picture of the QD attachment part, seems to me if you stick the correct size Allen key in there and back it out a couple turns it might actually work as designed.
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Great minds think alike....I had that same thought yesterday. I removed the Nordic extension and replaced with the factory spring and magazine cap. No luck, same issue.OP,
Does the problem occur only with a full mag tube and max pressure on the interceptor latch? Or does the problem also occur with just 1 or 2 rounds in the magazine (less mag spring pressure)?
If it operates fine with one or only a few rounds in the mag tube then it sounds like the pressure on the interceptor latch may be too much with a full or nearly full mag tube. Do you have a mag tube extension on this shotgun and if yes did you trim the xtra long mag spring down? Another thing that might help is to polish the nose of the interceptor latch so that it slides off the shell base easier.
Jeff
Problem stays the same with a single shell in the tube or a full tube.
I field stripped mine last night and looked everything over and have pretty good idea how its supposed to work. Again mine works fine so I can't say definitively why some folks are having problems.
But... indulge me and try something out, field strip the gun and leave the trigger group in place, push the carrier stop (the small square silver button at the back of the lifter), this should release the lifter allowing it to pop up. Now try and push down on the lifter, it should move freely for about a 1/16" or so, only being stopped by the cartridge latch. Now, ignore the lifter and push on the bolt release and make sure it moves freely. If neither of these conditions exist, I think thats where the problem lies, a clearance issue. You could send it back to Beretta, of fix it yourself by adding a little clearance and polishing the parts.
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Hmm... thats not right. I don't know enough about this thing yet to offer any solution. I like to tinker, maybe if I get a chance, I'll pull the lock work and see if I can determine the exact sequence that has to happen, and then try and make it malfunction, if only for my own education.
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I don't own a 1301 Comp since I'm not a competitor, but I do own the Tactical. Moving from a Mossberg 930 SPX, the manual of arms on the 1301 was kind of quirky for me at first. The 1301's are based on Beretta's hunting shotguns, where you start out loading the chamber, then the magazines tube.
In order to load the first round into an empty chamber from the magazine, the gun needs to be cocked, bolt closed and, obviously, on safe. You then load the magazine tube with the number of rounds desired and when ready to chamber a round, you then push the carrier stop (the small square silver button at the back of the carrier), this will release a round from the tube onto the carrier. You then pull the charging handle back and let it go, chambering the first round. You can then top off the magazine tube if desired and go to "work".
Or... as Ming the Merciless said, throw one in the chamber and close the bolt.
I have a brand new Beretta 1301 Competition. I ran ~50 shells through it (just 7.5 shot, Estate Target loads) before a local 3 Gun match yesterday.
I'm having trouble with loading that first shell from the mag tube. For the match, we pre-load the tubes in a staging area then chamber when we get to the line.
I could not get that first shell to load onto the carrier so I could rack it in. I'd hit the little button and nothing would happen. Well, maybe once out of a dozen tries did the shell. If I held the bolt open and forced a shell onto the carrier through the ejection port it would cycle fine through the stage.
Being that this gun is new to me, I don't know if I'm doing something out of sequence or if there's a defect. The manual isn't helping.
I've tried these steps in various combinations:
- empty chamber, rack it, pull trigger, safety engaged, fill tube, hit the button (not the bolt release).
does anyone have the definitive answer to what series of steps are involved making the Beretta happy?
Thanks!Yup interested in this too. Just picked one up today and noticed this issue loading with dummy ammo. It appears to involve the small square button at the aft end of the shell lifter but I am unsure how to use it correctly for pre-load and top-off.
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The bolt is not going into battery. The top half is but not the bottom part. Take the gas piston out, take the ring off, CLEAN all carbon off, clean barrel ring, do not lube & try it. I use a wire wheel on a dremmel tool.
This is an instance where NP3, or better yet Electroless Nickel Boron Nitride would be an ideal application. Plate all of the gas system parts and I bet they would be darn near self cleaning...
ETA: I run the rings and piston dry; I put some lube on my finger and wipe the piston bore in the barrel. This seems to help considerably in cutting down on carbon build up under the rings.
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Not a competition shooter, but you guys know how to drive equipment to its limits, so I'll stick around and see what breaks.
BBossman1
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Just to ask you guys, I have the 930 with the 18.5" non ported barrel, what would be the problem with having that threaded and using that in a competition?
Also, Just so you guys know, Mossberg does offer a pistol grip buttstock for these, its part number is: SKU#19002 (PG STOCK(INC.PAD&SCREWS)$74.00 PLUS $8.95
Does that extra layer of rubber come off the stock? I am a small guy and that looks really long.
On the Choate pistol grip stock there is a 5/8" spacer between the stock and the recoil pad. It is removable, but its there to clear the return spring housing. I replaced the recoil pad with the much shorter 1/2" Choate recoil pad, knocks almost an inch off of the LOP. The 1/2' pad doesn't do much to mitigate recoil...
My next plan is to cut the threads deeper on to the the return spring housing so I can lose the stock nut spacer, shorten the housing and lose the stock spacer and return the larger recoil pad to the stock.
eta: I don't have enough posts to link pictures...
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Well I bought and tried out a mossberg 930 HS at my first three gun match, it has the side saddle and a fibre optic front site. Shoots and points well, but have run into a problem. When the gun runs dry and I release the bolt to reload, I am find the lift stuck fully up almost like it is somehow wedged between the receiver and ejection port. It happens about 50% of the time I shoot it. I havent called Mossberg yet since I just got back from my first 3 gun match today; but figured I would post here and see if anyone had suggestions or has had the issue and could point me to a solution.
Thanks
David
This can happen when you don't push the bolt release fully, especially when the gun is new.
Beretta 1301 Competiton - Problem loading
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Yes... worked perfectly again after deburring and polishing.