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Never realized the 650 primer system operated on a use or lose primer supply. That seems weird coming from a company that has come up with some really clever engineering.
Crazy thing is the 550 does not have this problem. If no cartridge is present, the primer just waits for the next cartridge.
Its another reason the 550 is still the most versatile of all the Dillon reloaders. You can work 1 round arund the press when working up a load and nothing gets messed up.
Not entirely accurate. The 550 puts a primer on the anvil every time you pull the handle. They don't go on the floor or a ski jump but they do continue to pile up on the plate.
I used a friend's 550 years ago before I got my 650. I remember not worrying at all if I didn't have a round present. It was just something that never caused problems.
So what happens if you end up with 5 or 6 primers?
well, their suppose to go down that 'sky jump', but sometimes they don't and what will happen is it will lock your primer system up and you end up pulling the primer system out and fixing the issue.
if a primer doesn't go down the 'sky jump' it just winds up going around again until it locks up the primer system.
that's why I check, if a primer doesn't make it to a case, I have a couple pulls to knock it down the 'sky jump' manually.
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Whats a good variance of OAL - is a .004 variance acceptable?
that'll work.
Mine are at + or - .005
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I believe it does because the caliber conversion kit doesn't come with the powder die.
https://www.dillonprecision.com/#/content/p/9/pid/23804/catid/2/XL_650_Caliber_Conversion_Kit
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Comes with the following:
Toolhead, TH Stand and Powder Measure
https://www.dillonprecision.com/#/content/p/9/pid/23806/catid/3/XL_650_Quick_Change
Greg
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I wound up pulling bearing kit off and sending it to another member to try...I just didn't like it I guess. In any event, since it was time to tear down my press for its annual deep cleaning and lube - i just started clipping down the detent spring until the shellplate ran like I wanted. Runs very smooth now.
The problem I have with cutting the spring is that the detent may not *index* correctly. Most likely this will show itself after some use and crud getting into the spring/ball, etc.
I've not seen a 650 that didn't benefit from just the bearing upgrade... but it does take a little touch to get the bolt to the right tightness/looseness to benefit from it. All my 650's have it and I load 9Major on one and couldn't do that with the powder that I use without the mod.
Alan
The bearing fix didn't work on my xl650, with either the 2 washers and bearing or 1 washer and bearing.
I'm thinking about clipping the spring a little bit more and stretching it a little.
Here an Italian Website that compared all the fixes and they stated the clipping of the spring at about 1 and 1/2 coils did the best.
www.sardiniashootingclub.it
http://nuke.sardiniashootingclub.it/DILLONXL650PowderSpillage/tabid/200/Default.aspx
you can translate the website using Google translate.
If you use Google Chrome, it'll ask you if you want to translate the website.
They tried oil, grease, a nylon ball, etc, But, the cutting of the spring 1 and 1/2 coils and stretching it a little worked the best.
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They sent me a 9mm 3 die set with only two dies. Got the third less than a week later. Be and the Dillon guys have great customer service.
I agree, that was one of the deciding factors why I purchased a Dillon xl650. That, and because their the best reloading machine out there for us individual re-loaders.
and, when I mentioned to my wife they hold about 80% of their value over the years, she was amazed.
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Uniquetek Powder Drain Tool: http://www.uniquetek.com/site/696296/product/T1347
that's pretty cool.
Didn't know they made that.
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I use one fired unprimed .38 special peice of brass instead of a coat hanger wire, a perfect fit.
yep, that's what I do too.
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Yep, right before our Christmas vacation, I broke the xl650's index ring.
Called Dillon, they sent me a new one that arrived within a few days, but I was gone by then.
Arrived home, found the package from Dillon, and installed the NEW index ring.
Whenever I call them, for an issue or a part, they are fantastic. I love their customer service.
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Found these at Office Depot for .73 on clearance. Item number 271674. They also have clear ones for regular price.
Perfect for my bench.
thanks I need some
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I spoke with Dillon today and explained my woe. They were extremely helpful, specifically Gary. He said he would be sending out the part and or parts I needed. I now see about the customer service people speak about.
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awesome!! The Dillon people have been very helpful with me since I put my xl650 together last Sunday.
I've called them about 6 times so far. Great customer service.
Greg
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This was all good advice. Thanks for the TIPS everyone.
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...1. When just starting to load a batch, how do you "sync up" feeding cases with when the primers start to show up in station 2? On the red press, primers immediately show up on the primer punch after one pull of the handle. More importantly, the same primer stays on the primer punch until it's used. So you don't have to do anything to make sure there's a primer for your first case and a case for your first primer. On the 650, if the primer in station 2 doesn't get used (if there's no case for it), it goes on its merry way around the primer carousel. Which leads me to question 2:...
I manually advance the the carousel until I can see the first primer - then once more, before I ever pull the handle. This coordinates the first case and first primer. I should count the "clicks" but I haven't yet.
I think it's 8 clicks.
I got my new xl650 this pass Saturday. Set it up Saturday and Sunday. Started loading 9mm (because it came setup that way) and was on my 269th round, and it was going to be my last one, because I have enough 9mm and I wanted to switch to .40 and a primer jammed.
Now, it won't work correctly. When I first had it setup, I tested the priming station by loading about 50 CCI primers, and indexing the primer disc by pulling the handle, and all 50 shot down the ski slope. I tested that 3 times.
Now, if it doesn't go down the ski slope, it jams the primer station up.
I changed the indexing arm, I called Dillon 5 times, and their sending me a new primer station, the whole thing.
Dillon also stated it might be because I'm using CCI small pistol primers and they are somewhat oblong then say Federal or Winchester.
So, I'm without a brand new loading machine and I can't understand if I tested that part 3 times, and now if a case isn't present at the primer station, and it doesn't drop on the ski ramp, it will jam up the indexing disc.
Greg
Unused primers most certainly should drop from the primer disc without any issues. If one doesn't, check to make sure the primer isn't malformed. I've seen a lot of primers come across my press that get jammed up because they are oblong, have a gouge in them, anvil came loose, etc. Also note that the arm that indexes the priming disc actually should be pushing the primer out of the disc. The indexing arm sits inside the primer hole, that is how it indexes the disc. It sits low enough to where a primer that is slightly hung up should be pushed out from the downward pressure.
Try a different batch of primers for testing.
Photos of the priming disc when it is jammed up would help us diagnose.
thanks for the reply, but Dillon is sending me a NEW entire Primer system with small pistol plate.
and, I'm going to start using Winchester small pistol primers.
Let me see how that turns out, then if I still have an issue, I'll get some pics posted.
thanks for your help.
I've also heard that you need to keep an eye or feel for a primer seating in a case, because if a case doesn't show up, if the primer doesn't fall in three pulls of the handle, that means it didn't drop, and to remove it before it goes around and gets hung up and jammed.
Didn't know that before I had my jam.
Greg
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...1. When just starting to load a batch, how do you "sync up" feeding cases with when the primers start to show up in station 2? On the red press, primers immediately show up on the primer punch after one pull of the handle. More importantly, the same primer stays on the primer punch until it's used. So you don't have to do anything to make sure there's a primer for your first case and a case for your first primer. On the 650, if the primer in station 2 doesn't get used (if there's no case for it), it goes on its merry way around the primer carousel. Which leads me to question 2:...
I manually advance the the carousel until I can see the first primer - then once more, before I ever pull the handle. This coordinates the first case and first primer. I should count the "clicks" but I haven't yet.
I think it's 8 clicks.
I got my new xl650 this pass Saturday. Set it up Saturday and Sunday. Started loading 9mm (because it came setup that way) and was on my 269th round, and it was going to be my last one, because I have enough 9mm and I wanted to switch to .40 and a primer jammed.
Now, it won't work correctly. When I first had it setup, I tested the priming station by loading about 50 CCI primers, and indexing the primer disc by pulling the handle, and all 50 shot down the ski slope. I tested that 3 times.
Now, if it doesn't go down the ski slope, it jams the primer station up.
I changed the indexing arm, I called Dillon 5 times, and their sending me a new primer station, the whole thing.
Dillon also stated it might be because I'm using CCI small pistol primers and they are somewhat oblong then say Federal or Winchester.
So, I'm without a brand new loading machine and I can't understand if I tested that part 3 times, and now if a case isn't present at the primer station, and it doesn't drop on the ski ramp, it will jam up the indexing disc.
Greg
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I like my Warren/Sevigny sights. However, at speed I had issues with bringing the fiber optic to the bottom of the sight chanel. I added some bright green paint below the red fiber optic and now I have what I feel to be a great set up. Precision shots are not affected, but my quick shots are hitting much more accurately.
Green means GO!!
may I ask, what kinda of paint u used?
what brand and can you take it off, just in case you don't like?
Thanks,
Greg
I used a Lime Green paint pen from Hobby Lobby. I do not remember the brand, but if I recall correctly, they only had one brand. It will come off with thinner, but it also came off of my shotgun with clp when i slipped up a little...
Had my Warren/Sevigny sights installed on my G17 and now all I need is the Lime Green paint from Hobby Lobby.
If this works out for me, I'll installed them on my G34.
Greg
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I like my Warren/Sevigny sights. However, at speed I had issues with bringing the fiber optic to the bottom of the sight chanel. I added some bright green paint below the red fiber optic and now I have what I feel to be a great set up. Precision shots are not affected, but my quick shots are hitting much more accurately.
Green means GO!!
may I ask, what kinda of paint u used?
what brand and can you take it off, just in case you don't like?
Thanks,
Greg
I used a Lime Green paint pen from Hobby Lobby. I do not remember the brand, but if I recall correctly, they only had one brand. It will come off with thinner, but it also came off of my shotgun with clp when i slipped up a little...
cool, thanks for the reply.
I was really interested in what you used.
I think this will work out for me.
Now, all I have to do is wait on my sights to come in and I'll be going to Hobby Lobby today to get that Lime Green paint pen.
Thanks again,
Greg
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I like my Warren/Sevigny sights. However, at speed I had issues with bringing the fiber optic to the bottom of the sight chanel. I added some bright green paint below the red fiber optic and now I have what I feel to be a great set up. Precision shots are not affected, but my quick shots are hitting much more accurately.
Green means GO!!
may I ask, what kinda of paint u used?
what brand and can you take it off, just in case you don't like?
Thanks,
Greg
650 primer ski jump fix
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right and if you miss anyone that doesn't go to a case on the third pull and it didn't go down the 'ski jump', it'll eventually jam the primer index.