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Ok, I have the new cam and its working ok now and I will let you know if I start having troubles again. Thanks to all for your help.
Awesome, glad to hear.
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You shouldn't be adjusting anything on the slide cam to push the case further into the shellplate. The rear of the cam should be even with the slide cam. You adjust how far the shell goes into the shellplate by adjusting the height of the camming pin.
See page 37-38 of the May 2007 650 manual for photos.
The slide cam should last a LONG time, should be over a hundred thousand rounds if not MANY more. The wear points on this are the camming surfaces that rub on the camming pin and the casefeed arm (be sure to grease these areas). Be sure to keep the station one locator and platform that the slide cam rubs on clean and lubricated. As this builds up with grit and tumbling media, it may hang up from time to time to let you know it needs to be cleaned.
I'm not trying to adjust how far the cam pushes the case into the shellplate. Im trying to get it to drop the next empty shell with each up stroke. It gets to where it will not without me bumping the cam towards the press with my hand at the upper most up stroke.
see the pic.
that's exactly the problem I had on my first switch from 9mm to .40.
Cases wouldn't drop.
So, adjusting the 'slide cam' worked.
That's what I mentioned in my first reply.
I've only loaded about 3000 rounds so far, so hopefully I won't have the same issue as you.
will try this when I get a chance but according to the manual adjusting the height of the camming pin only adjust how far or little the empty case is pushed into the shell plate and does not effect how the cam pushes the case feed arm. Correct me if I'm wrong.
Correct.
If u adjust the 'slide cam' it will effect how the cam pushes the case feed arm.
My .40's were hanging up just like urs. So I move the slide cam in a little by adjusting the screw in the middle of the slide cam and it moved the case feed arm in further to allow the wider. 40 cases to drop without getting hung up on the insert.
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I took the primer assembly apart and cleaned it thoroughly, ran a few test primers and it seemed to work properly. I will have time tomorrow to run some 45acp, fingers crossed.
I had the kinda the same issue with the priming system when I first got the press last November,
Dillon shipped me an entirely new priming system and I sent the other one back and that worked for me.
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You shouldn't be adjusting anything on the slide cam to push the case further into the shellplate. The rear of the cam should be even with the slide cam. You adjust how far the shell goes into the shellplate by adjusting the height of the camming pin.
See page 37-38 of the May 2007 650 manual for photos.
The slide cam should last a LONG time, should be over a hundred thousand rounds if not MANY more. The wear points on this are the camming surfaces that rub on the camming pin and the casefeed arm (be sure to grease these areas). Be sure to keep the station one locator and platform that the slide cam rubs on clean and lubricated. As this builds up with grit and tumbling media, it may hang up from time to time to let you know it needs to be cleaned.
I'm not trying to adjust how far the cam pushes the case into the shellplate. Im trying to get it to drop the next empty shell with each up stroke. It gets to where it will not without me bumping the cam towards the press with my hand at the upper most up stroke.
see the pic.
that's exactly the problem I had on my first switch from 9mm to .40.
Cases wouldn't drop.
So, adjusting the 'slide cam' worked.
That's what I mentioned in my first reply.
I've only loaded about 3000 rounds so far, so hopefully I won't have the same issue as you.
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You shouldn't be adjusting anything on the slide cam to push the case further into the shellplate. The rear of the cam should be even with the slide cam. You adjust how far the shell goes into the shellplate by adjusting the height of the camming pin.
See page 37-38 of the May 2007 650 manual for photos.
The slide cam should last a LONG time, should be over a hundred thousand rounds if not MANY more. The wear points on this are the camming surfaces that rub on the camming pin and the casefeed arm (be sure to grease these areas). Be sure to keep the station one locator and platform that the slide cam rubs on clean and lubricated. As this builds up with grit and tumbling media, it may hang up from time to time to let you know it needs to be cleaned.
when my first switch from 9mm to .40 happened, after I got the press, I had to adjust the slide cam, because after adjusting the height of the camming pin, the .40 cases were still getting hung up in the case feeder tube (the next one out wouldn't always drop to station 1), so after adjusting the slide cam, .40 were fine along with 9mm.
It's not in the book, I took a guess as to why the .40 cases were hanging, and I did everything in the book, and just guessed at adjusting the slide cam and it worked.
Greg
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that's weird.
How long do the slide cams last?
Are you switching calibers often, like from small caliber to large, where the slide cam would need to be adjusted?
I'm just wonder why it's doing that.
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pistol is easier.
I started with 9mm and .40 and now onto 38 Special.
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Question,
is it only doing this, if you skip priming a case, and let it go, and it DOESN'T go down the 'ski ramp' as an 'unused' primer?
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I remember many years ago about 2009, a gentleman on this forum, did a interactive web based conversion page for all Dillon's presses at that time. Not sure if that resource is still up and running.
Cheers ....
you talking about this?
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That is the exact connection that it was.
can you cancel the order?
If not, you'll always have a spare.
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You mean it's NEW?
Wow and the platform bolts were not tighten?
I've read every 650 press post in the 100+ pages here in the last couple days. The platform bolt loosening issue and the obligatory 'call dillon for the alignment tool' answer is quite common, hence my previous post.
My press was NEW back in the beginning of November 2011 and my platform bolts were fine.
I did break an index ring and had to call Dillon for a replacement and the alignment tool came with it.
But, my press was fine right from the start.
Greg
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Did you 'spot' check every 50 or 100 or so rounds for powder weight and oal?
I do this so I'll know to stop if I have something out of whack.
Yea, call Dillon for the aliment tool, it's FREE.
Did you try just tightening the bolts and see if it indexes correct before calling Dillon.
Greg
I checked the powder weight randomly as I went, o.a.l. looks to be fairly good too.
I wouldn't know where to call for an alignment tool, I live in Austria!
I tightened the bolts up, and the shellplate indexes Ok. The press doesn't feel as smooth as before, but that could be me imagining things.
Matt
I have an extra alignment tool. If you find you need it I'll send it to you.
Thanks for the kind offer. It indexes ok, so I'll try it for a while and see how it behaves.
I like the press, and it is solidly built, just a shame they didn't check that all the bolts were done up properly!
After buying a press that cost over 800 euros, I didn't think I would need to take it apart and rebiuld it before starting to reload.
You mean it's NEW?
Wow and the platform bolts were not tighten?
If you didn't but it from Dillon I would inform Dillon about whoever sold that 650 to you.
I'm sure Dillon wouldn't want that to happen.
Heck, I would inform Dillon no matter what.
New presses shouldn't be like that.
Greg
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Question:
Can one inspect the tightness when setting up a new 650 and check to make sure they are snug without fouling up the alignment?
I have a new XL 650 on the way(Thanks Mr Enos!) and it seems odd that they just don't throw the alignment tool in with an addendum explaining to check from the start. :/
All NEW Dillon's are inspected/tested and I believe put together after order for the caliber you choose.
So, I would believe the alignment should be fine.
If it indexes correctly, it's fine.
Greg
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Hello: For the 45 I use Clays and for the 40 and 9mm I use Tite Group. Both are very temp stable for me at 30 degrees to 100 degrees. I am going to try some WSF and HP-38 next for the 40 and 9mm. Hope this helps. Thanks, Eric
Be interested in ur findings on the HP-38 and WSF for .40 and 9mm.
I have a pound of each and been looking to try it for those two calibers.
Greg
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Have the same brand from Sams club. Works great I just bolted to to the wall. Mine doesn't have the wheels or the drawers though.
I have that same one.
In fact, you gave me the idea to use that exact bench.
Good price too. And, it's very sturdy.
Greg
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Did you 'spot' check every 50 or 100 or so rounds for powder weight and oal?
I do this so I'll know to stop if I have something out of whack.
Yea, call Dillon for the aliment tool, it's FREE.
Did you try just tightening the bolts and see if it indexes correct before calling Dillon.
Greg
I checked the powder weight randomly as I went, o.a.l. looks to be fairly good too.
I wouldn't know where to call for an alignment tool, I live in Austria!
I tightened the bolts up, and the shellplate indexes Ok. The press doesn't feel as smooth as before, but that could be me imagining things.
Matt
great, sometimes if the index 'feels' a little off because of the loose bolts on the platform, you might be OK without the alignment tool and just tightening up the bolts.
if it feels different (not as smooth), did you over tighten the center bolt on the shellplate to much?
Greg
I made sure the shellplate bolt was loose enough to allow the shellplate to turn smoothly. I think some of the roughness is caused by the ring indexer. The bottom part of that is dented, maybe from me trying to operate the handle once the shellplate was stuck. I expect I can sand the edge of the plastic smooth again.
There is a very slight grinding noise when I operate the handle, I lubricated the Mainshaft, but that didn't help much.
I'll loctite the platform mount bolts so this doesn't happen again!
Matt
You don't have a 'spare parts' kit? That would have the 'index ring' in there.
I would still call Dillon. I've seen Dillon send out Free replacement parts to customers out of the US.
Greg
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I use Lee dies in my xl650 for 38 Special, 9mm and .40.
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Did you 'spot' check every 50 or 100 or so rounds for powder weight and oal?
I do this so I'll know to stop if I have something out of whack.
Yea, call Dillon for the aliment tool, it's FREE.
Did you try just tightening the bolts and see if it indexes correct before calling Dillon.
Greg
I checked the powder weight randomly as I went, o.a.l. looks to be fairly good too.
I wouldn't know where to call for an alignment tool, I live in Austria!
I tightened the bolts up, and the shellplate indexes Ok. The press doesn't feel as smooth as before, but that could be me imagining things.
Matt
great, sometimes if the index 'feels' a little off because of the loose bolts on the platform, you might be OK without the alignment tool and just tightening up the bolts.
if it feels different (not as smooth), did you over tighten the center bolt on the shellplate to much?
Greg
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Did you 'spot' check every 50 or 100 or so rounds for powder weight and oal?
I do this so I'll know to stop if I have something out of whack.
Yea, call Dillon for the aliment tool, it's FREE.
Did you try just tightening the bolts and see if it indexes correct before calling Dillon.
Greg
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Try only loading about 200 cases.
I do that and have never had a case feed upside down. .40 and 9mm and my bench isn't secured to the wall and neither is the case feeder.
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I have the same issue, but for me it's more like 1 per 2-300 now.
I assume that it's because the case feeder is shaking during the downstroke.
I've read that some people have better luck only loading small amounts of brass (200 rds) into the case feeder at one time.
that's what I do and I never had an upside down case and I load 9mm and .40.
I put between 200 and 300 in the hopper.
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I've never had a 9mm or .40 case load upside down.
But, I've only loaded about 1200 of each caliber so far.
Greg
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I love my new 650 also. It was a real struggle on whether to buy the 550 or the 650 from Brian. The problem with my 650 is that it keeps running out of primers and cases even with a casefeeder. The bullet tray seems to empty quite frequently also. The good thing is that blue akro bin fills up fast with assembled cartridges. I spend more time sorting brass now than working the reloader. Less time in the shop. More family time. More time to train and do other things. That non-Dillon turret press was killing me trying to keep up with ammo needs for shooting just a few matchs each month.
Bobby
Ditto.
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it's not slow at all.
Some make it out to be a PIA, but it really isn't.
XL650- platform will only go halfway up..
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glad u got it fixed.
I use to have that happen when I first got my press back last August.
Primers were hanging.
Received a new complete priming system from Dillon, and all was fixed.