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I'm pretty sure your lack of pretravel is the issue, try racking the slide, then pushing forward on the trigger, I'll bet it resets.
Tried it. Does not reset.
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Try backing out the pre travel screw.
Like I said in post #8, I have manipulated the pre-travel screw and it changes nothing. The pre-travel in the trigger never changes no matter where the screw is located.
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In this video I have already racked the slide and hammer. I pull the trigger and nothing happens. When I pull the hammer you'll hear a faint click.
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If its an unmodified pre-travel screw then that is not abnormal. They grind the face at an angle, making it useless.
Rack the slide with the trigger pulled all the way back and tell us if the sear catches then or what happens.
No. It does not reset. I still have to pull the hammer after it has been racked. There is a slight click and it will fire then. I have a video, but haven't been able to figure out how to upload it to my replies.
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New piece of info: the pre-travel screw doesn't seem to change the pre-travel at all. I back it almost all the way out and the pre-travel is almost non-existent. Screw it in and nothing changes.
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Did you put the hammer strut in backwards?
No, I have not removed it.
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Could your trigger pre travel be set to short and it is not allowing the sear to engage fully with the hammer? It could catch enough to hold on when manually cocking the hammer, but in the act of racking the slide or firing, the sear just slips off the main hammer hooks to the half cock hook.
I don't know. I'll play with it and see what happens and let you know.
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Nealio,
The slide does push the hammer back but it's not in the fully cocked position. I have to pull the hammer back until it clicks a fully cocked position. I'll try to shoot a video of it tomorrow and post it here.
The gun is about 5 years old. What have I done to it? Henning trigger, Wolff springs.
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My Witness Match 9mm has developed an "issue." When firing, the slide is not racking the hammer all the way into a fully cocked position. Even when I rack the slide by hand it will not push the hammer into a fully cocked position. It's almost like it's in a half-cock position and it has to be pulled back until it clicks into full lock.
Hammer issue? Sear issue? Springs?
Thoughts and suggestions will be appreciated!
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Well, the verdict is in. The Henning trigger will not fit in the Witness PS. As you can see in the pics, I got the trigger attached to the trigger bar without much difficulty. But when it is placed into the cage there isn't enough clearance for the trigger return spring. As you can see, it pushes the trigger forward and the trigger can't be pulled to the rear. I can't see any way to make this work.
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PS: dukeguy- Which pistolsmith did you contact? There are a few with really good reps and the people on this forum can help steer you to another who may be more interested in taking on this work, if you decide not to do it yourself and still want it done. Good luck.
Rich at Canyon Creek.
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I think they mean the trigger pin bolt may work its way out of the trigger if not held in place somehow. And unless you have to have flat trigger, "Your stiff trigger doesn't have much to do with the trigger itself. Its all about the right springs and polishing..." And where to polish and which springs to use are all discussed here for the steel framed models and I would bet a lot of that information will transfer over to the polymer framed pistols. Some of the do-it-yourself types here can help you find these threads, if you have any trouble.
PS: dukeguy- Which pistolsmith did you contact? There are a few with really good reps and the people on this forum can help steer you to another who may be more interested in taking on this work, if you decide not to do it yourself and still want it done. Good luck.
Yeah, I know the trigger itself doesn't have anything to do with the pull weight and stiffness. I just like that flat trigger!
As for polishing things and clipping springs, I can't seem to find anything in the forum about this. I've searched under every topic I could think of. So if anyone knows where those threads are, please shoot me a link!
Thanks!
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Just remove the small roll pin and push the trigger block and trigger up out of the frame, install the flat trigger with Hennings pin but cut the head of the pin and trim it to the width of the block, then reinstall the block and new trigger
That seems like a bad idea, since that pin holds the block in place.....
Nealio,
On this model the trigger pin does not hold the block in place, a small roll pin does. If you'll look at the pic you'll see it just in front of the trigger. The trigger pin is inside and rests in 2 slots in the block. It threads through and holds the trigger spring. I think it is possible to trim down the Henning pin and slide it into those slots.
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Just remove the small roll pin and push the trigger block and trigger up out of the frame, install the flat trigger with Hennings pin but cut the head of the pin and trim it to the width of the block, then reinstall the block and new trigger.
If you don't mind my asking, have you done this or seen it done?
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Buehler... Buehler?
Sorry, I've been sick. Last thing on my mind for the last 2 weeks.
So, I received the PS and a trigger from Henning. As of now I see no way to make this work. Drilling the holes as we've discussed will not position the trigger properly.
I contacted a gunsmith who is supposed to be one of the best with Witness pistols, but he said he wasn't interested in developing a trigger job for this model.
So unless anybody has further suggestions I've got a small frame Witness that I really like the feel of...really like the accuracy...but has a really stiff trigger.
P.S. Just so you know, Henning's trigger pin is way too short to go through the polymer version.
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There is a hole on each side of the polymer frame, but they're very hard to see because they're covered by plastic plugs. Your picture shows the plug. Good luck.
Yeah, we saw that too. But if I drill through it will the trigger pin be long enough? There is no indentation for the nut like on a Witness Match.
Questions, questions...
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Actually, I did get to speak to Henning today. (Talking about customer service!) I just got the PS yesterday so I wasn't that familiar with the gun. But it does offer some unique challenges in adapting the flat trigger system.
Take a look at the pic. The first thing you'll notice is that there is no hole for the trigger pin. That means I either have to drill out a hole on each side of the frame, or adopt the Henning trigger pin to work inside the "block" that holds the trigger, and is held in place by the small roll pin just in front of the trigger assembly.
(Sorry, but I don't know why the pic is upside down.)
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I did a search last night. Found them on CDNN's site. $24.95
http://www.cdnnsports.com/magazines/witness-9mm-16rd-fullsize.html#.VOdisbPF974
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Just got my PS today. Weather doesn't allow me to give it a run at the range for the next 2-3 days. In the meantime, does anyone know if the Henning flat trigger can be adapted to the PS?
And where do you get additional mags?
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Got this email from a nice lady at Blade-tech tonight:
Hello dukeguy,
Yes, this should fit our holster made for the POLYMER FULLSIZE. Below is a link to the OWB holster which we can make for this. If you would like to order you can either do so online or over the phone at 1-877-331-5793. Any of our customer service reps will be able to assist you.
Thank you
Tara Clarkson
Customer Service Manager
BLADE-TECH™
The Link: http://shop.blade-tech.com/index.php?cPath=1_23_24&osCsid=unc3b22m390mc8se5epqh8ub51#.VOPmj7DF975
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I bought a Glaco out-side the waistband "pancake" style holster for a Sig-Sauer 226...
I had heard rumors about using a Sig 226 holster. I wonder if that would work in a kydex model as well?
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I need a OWB holster...maybe shoot it in IDPA...
Me too. I've spent most of the evening trying to find someone that makes a kydex similar to a Bladetech or Safariland, but haven't had any luck.
Any suggestions would be welcomed.
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Thinking about picking one of these up as well. Has anybody figured out the holster issue?
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Heard back from Henning. The flat trigger system DOES fit the Witness Compact.
EAA Witness Match Hammer Not Fully Cocking
in Tanfoglio (EAA / IFG)
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I just tried something else. Racked the slide/hammer, then removed the slide. Pulled the hammer while looking up under the sear cage. The trigger bar pupped up when I pulled the hammer back. Took the trigger out and adjusted the pretravel screw completely down, effectively putting as much pretravel into play as possible. That did it. I guess I just had not taken enough pretravel out.
I guess the pretravel screw crept out during shooting.
Thanks to everyone who chimed in on this!
P.S. Nothing is an insult when you're trying to diagnose from a distance.