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Smith used to sell 627-4 cylinders that were factory 38 Super. I put one in my 929 and have a spare new one laying around.
The factory 38 super cylinders are the same length as 929 cylinders
Don't know if they still have in stock or not.
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12 minutes ago, bigdog02 said:
No hitch in the dryfire at all - first gentle click when I start pulling the trigger (unlocking cylinder), 3/4 through the pull is the second click (cylinder locking). That is with the cupped shim removed.
Yup, used empty cases in all chambers. After it loosened up the second time, I put a drop of blue on the threads before it went back together using the brownell tool. Has not loosened since.
I took the gun apart, put the cupped shim back in - with the cup facing into the hammer. Put the gun back together and there is a notable drag (slight but still noticeable) on the hammer when moving it around.
I am really leaning into the shim got pinched at some point at the end of last season when I was cleaning the gun and now it is just enough to drag things a tiny bit.I rarely if ever use hammer shims on a MIM gun, they are not needed.
Forged part guns are another story as I said before The specs are all over the place and they sometimes need shims to keep things in place.
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14 hours ago, Joe4d said:
humm said its stock but then list mods and aftermarket parts.... LOL..
I am thinking maybe an angle got buggered up,, Or as is sometimes the case messing with MIM parts, you get past the surface hardening and part buggers itself up with a bit of wear.14 hours ago, Bill Sahlberg said:When was the gun mfg? Older guns never had issues. Newer guns as mentioned above use MIM parts (metal injection molding or powdered metal)
Sorry but will have to say this is so far off that I thought I was on the S&W forum for a while.
The old forged part guns are a pain to work on as the specs are all over the place and them never having issues is hilarious as they had just as many issues as the newer guns including canted barrel that were then pinned canted.
MIM parts are heat treated to the same depth as the forged part guns and the parts are much more consistence and will last just as long as forged parts.
S&W had some bad MIM when they first started using it but got the process figured out and now it if good to go.
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1 hour ago, xjwalt666 said:
I just tried this again with the strain screw barely tightened to not put too much pressure on the pins. I can visually see the sear "bump" the hammer as you say right as it hits the "wall". So I would assume that would mean that either the hammer or trigger or both are either out of spec or one of the pins are bent.
Now my question is, would it be acceptable practice to swap out another hammer and sear from a known good 617 to experiment just for testing purposes with dry fire only? Or should I just have him get a new set fitted?
Hammer and trigger are OK it just needs a new sear fitted.
Sear is the black piece fitted to the hammer that starts the hammer moving back.
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2 hours ago, xjwalt666 said:
To add, when pulling the trigger to stage it for the next shot, at about 1/4 pull it hits the wall. There is no slowly pulling it to the break it just snaps by and drops the hammer. I’m going to try to get a video of it this afternoon and find a site to host it on and link it here.
Possible that the sear is too short. The sear starts everything moving and then hands off the movement to the hammer for the last part of the stroke. If the sear is too short the trigger bumps into the hammer on the hand off. If it is really short it will stop the movement. If it is close it will have a hard spot and then will slip past the hammer.
Might try dryfiring with cylinder open and cylinder release held back. If it still does it then it is something in the action.
If it goes away with the cylinder open it is in the timing(ratchet's)
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15 minutes ago, pskys2 said:
Anyone going to check out the live stream of the meeting?
where is the live stream going to be?
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13 hours ago, Bill Sahlberg said:
The 929 with MIM parts is way more expensive to tune that the older 627s with forged steel parts.
Best to find an older 627 before they added the trigger lock system and MIM parts
Sorry but this is way off. I usually have about 2 hours longer in a full competition action job for a forged part gun than a MIM gun. I charge the same for both and I usually grimace when a forged part gun come in because I know I have to do extra work just getting the forged parts straighten out just to start a trigger job.
MIM parts are much more consistent than the old forged part guns.
I should charge more for a forged part gun but fortunately most competition guns coming in these days are newer guns with MIM parts.
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4 hours ago, Dr. Phil said:
USPSA owns SC. Literally.
To keep their SC certification a club has to run a minimum number of SC matches per year.
Clubs also have to run a minimum number of USPSA matches. Unfortunately, USPSA couldn't really care less about SC. Except of course for the $1 per shooter, per gun SC fee.
A couple clubs local to me only runs SC and doesn't even have USPSA matches. I have heard of other clubs that do this also.
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FYI the attached picture is if a 617 K frame laying on top of a 929 N frame. It is hard to get a picture that shows it but the triggers are lined up and if you looked at the grip frames from directly above they are also lined up.
The trigger travel is the same on a K-L-N-X frame and it doesn't matter if it is a 5-6-7-8-9-10 shot gun the trigger travel is the same.
The guns might feel different due to weight and barrel configuration but the grip to trigger relationship is controlled by the grips.
The same grips on a K frame and L frame and N frame will feel the same and have the same trigger reach and trigger travel.
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On 10/20/2023 at 1:51 PM, Joe4d said:
Incidently after many years with that 686, I recently bought the N frame 627,,, and guess what,, I occasionally short stroke it.
What are you trying to say here? What does it being a N frame have to do with short stroking it?
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I don't know for sure but I read that the 2.01 was with a autoloader and the 1.88 was the revolver run????????
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I would replace the Cylinder stop the same time you fix the peening of the cylinder.
The cylinder stop takes a beating in these guns shot fast.
When a gun comes in the shop for skipping it can be peening like you have and/or a worn out cylinder stop.
The ball that engages the slots in the cylinder will show wear and be tapered at the top instead of square when new.
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Many new shooters show up at a match and get thrown in limited because they don't have enough mags or pouches to shoot Production. Sometimes others talk them into limited so they don't have to do so many mag changes. This has been going on for years and is nothing new.
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Revolver Supply 38 super/9MM 8 shot clips.
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1 hour ago, Joe4d said:
maybe urs did., your welcome to come measure the one in the trash if you like.
Blue loctite most everything.
Yeh bummer this gun didnt have the quick change blade like my 686 pro, gonna be a PIA, I actually have 3 to do, So probably be good at it by the last one. I did a 646 many moons ago.Mine and all the ones that I have had in the shop for action work had the tall rear blade.
Did you buy new?
I suppose S&W might of screwed up it wouldn't have been the first time.
None of the guns with endcaps get the quick change front sights.
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46 minutes ago, Joe4d said:
Pulled the reddot of the 617,, Trigger still sucks on the 617, swapped in a Wolff spring and got light strikes, sights suck on the 929, Came with a .120 rear blade and not even close being able to zero, Had a 160 V blade onhand, but the sight image with the big flat blade kinda blows
929 comes stock with .196 rear blade.
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Yeah we don't have enough RO's to cover each stage with 3 RO's. In fact we have run 14 to 15 person squads at some of the locals because we didn't have enough to cover more squads.
We have to show people how to run the tablet every match as we don't have the help.
Weather has been crap this spring but we have had lots of new shooters, which is great but they can't run the timer or tablet as they don't have a understanding of what is going on yet.
While new shooters are great it also puts a burden on the already stressed work load of the few RO's we have.
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19 hours ago, Racinready300ex said:
You can have a pretty solid run in USPSA with just a couple Charlies. But, in IDPA being down 2 is going to make a blazing fast run kind of mediocre.
Your right in the accuracy department but the speed does matter in both games.
I still say the shooter that is the most accurate the fastest wins in both games.
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18 hours ago, Joe4d said:
Different formula,,,
10 target COF (2 shots each) ... USPSA guy shoots all A's in 10 seconds... Guy 2 shoots all A, C in 9 seconds. They tie.
IDPA,, Guy shoots all A's (down o ) in 10 seconds,, scores a 10; Guy 2 shoots all 0 and down 1... Gets creamed.. scores a 20.
I think thats right...Sorry nothing in this post is right if I understand what you are saying.
Your example and your numbers for the most part.
USPSA- 10 targets = 100 points with all A's in 10 seconds gives a PF of 10
other shooter in your example shoots 1 C scored minor is 98 points in 9 seconds gives a PF of 10.888
It is NOT a tie.
IDPA 10 targets(although not legal in IDPA unless rule was changed the last time. 18 shots max.) we will go with your numbers to make it a more even comparison.
10 targets down 0 in 10 seconds gives a time of 10.
other shooter shoots it down 1 but shoots it in 9 seconds(same as the USPSA shooter above) his adjusted time is also 10.
That is a tie.
The USPSA stage you used is a high hit factor stage and those are usually pretty hosey(SP?).
Both games have stages where accuracy is more important than speed and stages that speed can weigh more heavy.
Which is why I said above the one who wins in both games is the one that is the most accurate the fastest.
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On 2/13/2023 at 2:08 PM, zombywoof said:
I shoot both.
One is speed with a little visual patience
The other is visual patience with a little speed
Simple
23 hours ago, MikeRussell said:That's very similar how I explain the difference when someone asks me about shooting both. I tell them USPSA is speed with acceptable accuracy and IDPA is accuracy with acceptable speed.
And all this time I thought the shooter that shot the fastest AND most accurately won at both games.
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Pulling trigger and hammer not moving is the sear not resetting all the way. Sear needs shortened(careful here as it can get too short and cause a bump in the handoff of the DA stroke) or just the reset clearance increased at the bottom front edge of sear. Start with the reset clearance.
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2 hours ago, Boomstick303 said:
Why would I want to punch myself in the D!(K??
Sounds like you are doing it wrong if that is what you are worried about.
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