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Mike.45 OK mate, if image is everything, whats that plastic garden shed on wheels you pull around all the shoots with your ammo and screwdrivers in? On a more serious note, does anybody have any thoughts on the lenght of a stock (straight or PG), should it be short for manoeuvrability or the right length for better mounting and cheek weld? Cheers Ps who/what/where is an Oklahoma? PPs how do you put these smilies things on your posts?

Kurt, no problem, my old china, .....always up for a laugh, ........don't you know!!! Anyway, who/what/where is Oki-land ? Ps only reply if it won't get us thrown off the forum!!!! PPs China plate = mate

Hi I normally shoot a straight stock Remy 1187 for practical (as we call it in the UK), but went over to 'limited' pump for the European Championships this year. My gun was an 870 with a pistol grip, but half way through the year I took the p/grip off and put a straight stock on, and never looked back. I found that with all the 'spinning' of the gun for the reloads the pistol grip just got in the way, and as I find no other advantage to the pistol grip thats enough to put me off. I actually do less spinning since I came back having picked up other ways of doing the same thing (Thanks Kurt!!) but have kept the straight stock. At work (Police) our shoulder weapons are mainly the H&K family which are all pistol grip, but as with them it is just 'mag out, mag in' I don't even notice. Our shotguns are only used for 'doors and dogs' with other roles covered by rifle/carbines. Kurt, you're right, when 'push comes to shove' you need both hands and all your concentration for the threat, however (thank the lord) that happens very infrequently and there are plenty of times and needs to do both! Cheers

Guys, Whilst I find it all very interesting, this talk of the end of Remingtons, what I don't see is any evidence! All of the major players in the UK shoot 1187/1100s (sorry James!) one or two are 'talking' about changing and one or two will, but that is hardly the end of the line. I shot an 870 this season to make the 'Limited Pump' team for Italy, but am now back to my 1187 which has shot flawlessly for as long as I can remember (Kiss of death!). The 870 never missed a beat either so what's the problem? That said I am interested in the new guns and will follow developments with interest. If the X2 does takes off it will be thanks to Mike45 who went out and got one when nobody else in the UK had even heard of them, well done Mike!