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How about using the concept of "warning shots" for long range targets.
A legitimate target beyond the edge of the regular playing surface merits at least
a warning shot and a reward if actually hit. You must engage it, and pay the time
cost for that. There are no miss penalties. You are rewarded for a hit, either minus
time or extra points.
The minus time reward has to be matched to the estimated time required for a middle
of the pack shooter to make the hit so everyone has incentive to make the shot.
The major downside to long range targets, or too many of them, is the likelihood of
timing out.
Comments?
Glen
Just for the sake of discussion, what if you consider them in a uspsa term "disappearing targets" & then give them a greater point value for hitting them. IOW, you have to engage them for no penalty. If you miss, no penalty(or maybe just a normal "miss" penalty) but if you hit them, the points you gain are enough to make them worthwhile. If you think it takes 3 times as long to hit a 500m target as a 100m, then 3 times the points or ......well, maybe you get the idea. Something along those lines. That way a person whose gear just can't do it, like maybe someone shooting an average sks doesn't get a big penalty but doesn't get the big points, either where a person that is able with his gear to do it, will take the time to do it. Might make an interesting situation. I am more of a carrot on a stick lead me type guy instead of take a whip me & push me.
MLM
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I prefer brilliant yellow targets with a black backer.
I like the contrast between the yellow target and the
black front sight. We use black garbage bags for the
backers.
Glen
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I am going to build a shooting burm, have pleanty of land but all flat. Have thought of stacking hay but not sure if it would work. Have also thought of plastic 55 gal. drums filled with something ,but what? Also not sure about size. Had in mind about 60ft. by 100 ft. u shaped Any ideas? Thanks
You have plenty of land, so dirt is readily available. Rent a scraper
complete with operator. A scraper (the road construction variety) can
build a berm in short order.
Glen
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Possible thread drift, but I am intruiged by the topic. If during a course of fire, with a loaded chamber, your slide falls off of the frame and the muzzle breaks the 180, would that situation be a DQ? Not trying to stir up a hornet's nest, just curious.
Ray
This has come up before on this forum. The rulingwas no dropped gun and no breaking the 180.
Once the barrel and slide fall off, your gun no longer
has a muzzle.
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There is an unspoken assumption here, that the frame that is
still in your hand is "the gun". Most folks would accept that idea
probably because the frame has a serial number on it. However,
USPSA doesn't have a definition of what constitutes a firearm so
you may still get a dispute.
Glen
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A friend told me about a stage he shot some years ago.
There was a long horizontal slot in a barricade that wasn't
wide enough to accommodate dot sighted guns in their usual
vertical position. You had to turn the gun sideways to run the
stage.
He was, and still is, an advocate of tube-style dot sights. He
said he turned the gun sideways and gripped the tube with his
support hand. Sort of a two-handed gangsta style. Apparantly
it was the winning way of handling that stage.
Did the tube somehow morph into a fore grip? Does it have
some non-infringing functions that over-ride its alleged
fore-grippiness?
Glen
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I'd treat it as a magwell --- unless the shooter used it as a foregrip....
5.1.10 prohibits fore grips on handguns.
It bans a thing, not a function.
Don't conflate the two.
Your very own quote shows that you are concerned about a function,
rather than a thing.
Section 5 concerns competitor equipment, not gun handling. That's elsewhere.
Glen
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A stage that can be shot fairly by all no matter the weather, light, or time of day. one that can be exactly or closely repeatable for every shooter, can be reset easily and quickly, which means something not requiring tricky props that are complicated or unreliable. also a stage that is within every shooters capability of doing, the better ones will just do it faster.
this has been posted from a 3 gunners perspective not a pistol shooters, with 3 gun or multi gun there are Stage max times given, which on several occasions come into effect due to stages being too intricate, or not repeatable for all participants. It really is not a problem with pistol, most all stages are doable by all, the better shooters just do it faster. Why this is not the case with # gun I do not know.
trapr
I completely agree with trapr for 3-gun.
For hangun only, I like stages that can be shot in several different, yet equally
challenging ways.
Glen
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If you have a plastic bag full of parts, ie. barrel, slide,
... frame, can you root through it without being accused
of handling a firearm outside the safe area? Are some parts
more "forbidden" than others? In particular, is a frame a gun
under our rules?
Glen
Got $100, or the local max match fee? Willing to risk it in front of an arb committee? This IMHO has the potential to get ugly quickly --- at what point are you handling the gun? I'd argue that if the trigger's accessible, and all the parts needed to make it fire are in the bag, then you ought to be in the safety area....
What do you gain by not going there?
Wow, indeed. Not what I expected as a response. I would prefer a rules-based
reply, thank you. The fifth sentence qualifies.
You said, "This IMHO has the potential to get ugly quickly ---". Do you mean in terms
of this forum, or of the rules as they now stand, or something else? Should I drop this
question?
Glen
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This has come up before on this forum. The ruling
was no dropped gun and no breaking the 180.
Once the barrel and slide fall off, your gun no longer
has a muzzle.
Which brings up a thread drift.
If you have a plastic bag full of parts, ie. barrel, slide,
... frame, can you root through it without being accused
of handling a firearm outside the safe area? Are some parts
more "forbidden" than others? In particular, is a frame a gun
under our rules?
Glen
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I am righthanded but left-eye dominant. I changed to lefty for shooting
after slightly more than a year of IPSC. It wasn't hard and was the right
thing for me to do.
I would suggest changing and see how it goes. Probably the best part
would be not having to unlearn bad habits. You can consciously burn in
good ones.
Glen
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So-is this ready to send to my AD?
Nope
How do match officials know if the popper was hit in the calibration zone?
Same as right now, if they want to look.
Rule 4.3.1.7 mandates the painting of poppers after each shooter. An exemption
for level 1 matches exists (4.3.1.7.1) but that would be removed.
Glen
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I don't think we need to concern ourselves with popper desgn, just
how to proceed when they fail to perform according to specifications.
A popper either falls or it doesn't. When it doesn't fall from a hit in the
calibration zone, we refuse to call it a failure. Instead we bring out the
calibration gun and shoot it again.
We have, I think, the unwarranted belief that the result of this shot
provides any information on the state of the popper before the competitor
shot it once, twice , or however many times.
I would make the assumption that the competitor's shot was at least as
powerful as the calibration shot, and the popper failed to recognize that
power.
Since the rulebook applies to Level 1 through 3 matches, how does your proposal apply at a Level 1 match where painting is not required between shooters?I would remove 4.3.1.7.1. I missed the level 1 exemption. Mea Culpa. Spray paint
is cheap.
Glen
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Here is my take on the popper question.
4.3.1.1 Poppers are approved targets designed to recognize
power and must be calibrated as specified in Appendix C.
4.3.1.2 has similar wording for Mini Poppers.
Now a popper that is shot in the calibration zone and fails to
fall has just violated rule 4.3.1.1. It has, in fact, NOT recognized
power. The result is Range Equipment Failure and a mandated
reshoot under 4.6.1 and 4.6.2. It may well have been calibrated
previously, but that has been demonstrated not to be true now.
The proposed solution:
In 4.3.1.5 eliminate the sentence "Scoring Poppers which fail to fall ...".
In 4.3.1.6 eliminate the phrases "Unlike Poppers," and "or calibration
challenges".
Eliminate Appendix C1.6 and C1.7
An alleged drawback to the above is someone shooting sub-minor
and gets an undeserved reshoot. The chrono stage will demonstrate
that he is shooting for no-score.
Another is "Did he hit it in the calibration zone?" Rule 4.3.1.7 mandates
the re-painting of poppers, so the hit location should be clear.
Otherwise we should eliminate the phrase "designed to recognize
power" in 4.3.1.1 and 4.3.1.2 as this is clearly not true under the
present regime.
Glen
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I picked 300 as the maximum I want.
For the long-range advocates ... How many iron-sight
guys can make the shot before timing out? Do you hold
a separate match just for them? (/grumpy)
I prefer something similar to the IPSC distance balance
and let a well-constructed COF sort things out.
Glen
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I think the rule that aplies is 10.5.3.2.
I cannot copy it from the pdf file so I cannot post it with out typing it. Anyone know how?
I can't either. Anyway, 10.5.3.2 has a caveat stating "except where the
firearm is placed at a greater distance, under the supervision of a Range
Officer, in order to comply with a start position".
This the case under discussion. Basically all he can be charged with is
"delay of game". There is no penalty for this in USPSA except a good scolding.
There is no safety violation here. The RO is required to oversee the firearm since
it is, by design, not in the possession of the competitor. If the competitor runs
away, the RO just needs to continue doing what he is already doing.
Glen
Beaten to it but I'll post it anyway.
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I would like to widen this discussion a bit.
A lefthanded revolver shooter wearing a glove to
prevent being burned by the forcing cone. What's
the call?
I shoot lefthanded but I use heavy bandaging tape
for the purpose. Looks like I have a damaged hand.
Again, what's the call?
Glen
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In a posting from 2004, Anderson, Mink, and Miguez shot Mini-Mart in
the same match. Three different divisions.
Is gaming the mag slower? Miguez and Mink put the mag on the tabletop
on the start. Anderson didn't.
http://www.brianenos.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=12680
Glen
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In my opinion, a strict read of 5.2.5.3 would prevent you from moving your holster and mag pouches from their original position. Basically it says that you cannot change the position of your equipment.
Troy
If this did occur, how would it be handled? Would he be
continuously watched to ensure compliance?
Also, in the other direction, consider a shooter who wants to
shoot his Limited gun in Open. He declares Open and adjusts
his equipment accordingly. The match gets underway with the
expectation that enough people will show up for Open to be
viable. This doesn't happen so Open is not available, yet he
has already shot one or more stages. What happens now?
Or will this situation never ever happen anywhere?
Glen
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Brake and break.
Sight, site, and cite.
Pick the right ones on this forum. I don't want to guess
the spelling when I do a search.
Glen
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George/Nik:
Course of fire starts with gun and all mags on the table. Production Shooter starts, runs to table loads gun, pops a spare in his mouth and proceeds to move forward down range engaging targets......has the shooter violated equipment rules in so doing?
According to the above analysis, the answer is "yes". In the mouth violates the "distance
from the torso" and the "behind the hipbone" criteria for the placement of magazines. Off to
Open we go. Same should be true if the Production shooter held the spare mag in his hand.
Let's expand this question to Open shooters as well. The mag in mouth retention violates
the placement rules for Open. Is the open shooter now out of the match because there is no
way of applying a penalty to him (he's already in Open) or does he get a free pass?
And now my opinion ...
I always understood that you had to be in compliance with the division requirements and
the WSB prior to the start signal, failing which the RO could not start you. After the start signal
it is freestyle subject to the WSB.
Glen
So if the division requirements and the WSB are in conflict, what happens then?
Gary
The WSB trumps the division requirements. For instance, the WSB says the gun
starts on the table. The division requirements say in the holster. The WSB says
the mags start on the table. The division requirements say on the belt. Etc.
Each of these examples has the WSB overturning the division requirements and
no one questions it. The stage is shot according to the WSB. Has everyone been
doing it wrong? The "de jure" rules don't give priority to the WSB over the
division requirements, but the "de facto" rules of our sport have done exactly
that.
Glen
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George/Nik:
Course of fire starts with gun and all mags on the table. Production Shooter starts, runs to table loads gun, pops a spare in his mouth and proceeds to move forward down range engaging targets......has the shooter violated equipment rules in so doing?
According to the above analysis, the answer is "yes". In the mouth violates the "distance
from the torso" and the "behind the hipbone" criteria for the placement of magazines. Off to
Open we go. Same should be true if the Production shooter held the spare mag in his hand.
Let's expand this question to Open shooters as well. The mag in mouth retention violates
the placement rules for Open. Is the open shooter now out of the match because there is no
way of applying a penalty to him (he's already in Open) or does he get a free pass?
And now my opinion ...
I always understood that you had to be in compliance with the division requirements and
the WSB prior to the start signal, failing which the RO could not start you. After the start signal
it is freestyle subject to the WSB.
Glen
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Following that idea, does that make it a rule infraction on mags on table starts to stuff the mags in the front of your pants? I know a guy can do that in the blink of an eye. Of course he doesn't have the dunlap disease problem I have. hahaha. Me, I gotta suck my gut in so much, it is easier to stuff them in their official pouches.
MLM
That move would indicate a transfer to Open.....
I don't believe that would be the case. The WSB that specifies a table (or other)
placement for magazines, instead of the mandated mag pouch, trumps the division
magazine placement rules. Mags on the table (or elsewhere) makes everyone, even
open shooters, violate the mag placement rules in the appendices. Stuffing a magazine
in a pouch does not undo that violation.
Glen
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5.2.5.3 Unless specified in the written stage briefing, or unless required
by a Range Officer, the position of holsters and allied equipment
must not be moved or changed by a competitor during a match.
If a retaining strap is attached to a holster or magazine pouch, it
must be applied or closed prior to issuance of the “Standby”
command.
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so why can you lock and unlock a speed holster at the line?
Because it's not a strap. Usually some sort of lever. It's a loophole.
Glen
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An alternative strap method, which I've seen used, is to have
a strap affixed to the belt (usually via a sliding belt loop) with
a good quality snap fastener on it. The strap goes arround the
pistol grip and snaps to itself. At the Make Ready, the strap is
unfastened.
(Think a belt loop with a long tail on it and a snap fastener.)
This does not violate 5.2.5.3 as the strap is not attached to the
holster.
Glen
Has anyone switched their shooting hand
in Handgun Techniques
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I switched. It was relatively easy.
Glen