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and keep your feet moving when you practice reloading, no standing reloads allowed.
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If you put .38 Special cases on a trimmer... trim them to short colt length... they still say .38 Spl on the headstamp. Hmmmm.....I hadn't thought of that. But, it would make for more positve ejection, and take about .4 - .5 grains less powder to make PF... hmmmm.
Chris Christian
Chris, if you do it, use 38 spl brass not 357's, the case's on 357's are thicker down at the rim and they make it harder to seat the bullets in there. Not saying that I've ever done it or anything...
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nothing has ever been said about the couple of times I used shorten 357 mag cases in SSR, cut them down to short colt length and loaded them up. PITA and hated losing them on the ground. Not worth the effort any more. Just play harder and it feels better when you win being completly above board.
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The unoffical offical ruling came as a result from a match where a certain shooter used short colts with 170 grain bullet in SSR and was told by his area rep that it was illeagal to do such. In talking to Robert Ray (face to face) and in writing, it was determained that if the gun in question said 38 short colt on it, you could use it. Otherwise you were stuck using 38 specials or 357's. I did find a S&W #2 that has 38 short colt written on the barrel, but I'm reluctant to shoot the gun in a match. I haven't been able to find a speedloader that will function with the top break action and the 18 lb trigger pull is rough on the fingers. If it had sights, that would be a plus also.
It didn't really make sense completly, but then it's only a game...
michaels
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At $155, the calculation becomes a lot more difficult, and getting the old cylinder back tips it to converting for me. (But then, I already have a 10-shot.)
Pat, out here in California, the going price for a used M17/M18 is upwards of $700.00, new 617's are now showing up in some dealers cases in the $800.00 range. So if you've got an older gun, it's probably worth it. If you could get the aluminum cylinder, I'd probably go with that, but I'll bet Randy Lee/Apex Tacticle probably gobbled them all up a while ago.
michael sousa
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$155.00 (give or take a couple of bucks) for having the factory do the swap, I dropped mine off last Feb. during a visit at the factory and two weeks later it was shipped to me. Remember to ask for your old cylinder and parts back if you don't take them out before hand. Great service, good turn around time.
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Better bring your cable lock that you got in the box when you bought your bottom feeder, that would only be fair.
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^ Mark K...
or you can cut a 33 round mag off at #28, add the arredondo extension, depending on where you cut your spring, you'll get 30+ rounds. Same setup that SJC sells. And it should be just under the 170 rule.
Let's assume that you can obtain a Glock 31rd mag for $45. (They are only 33 by the virtue of the +2 basepad...something that you will not use in creating this Franken-mag). Add in $35 for the Arredondo basepad, and you are at $80 for something that you may or may now create correctly without a fair amount of trial and error.
A TF +11 extension is $40, and there is no guesswork or coil clipping involved.
Depends on where you get the 33 rounder I guess, I bought a couple for 32.00 and then the basepads were picked up used on benos, I think maybe 35 bucks for both of them. I was not a big project and I really had no use for the 33 rounders anyway, so it was interesting to see if it could be done. It's like the whole concept of making an open glock on your workbench with just a couple of tools and some cheap parts. To me that's part of the fun in shooting a glock, you put it together yourself and you make it work. Otherwise just buy something like a limcat gun and have an on call dept to fix when and if needed.
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or you can cut a 33 round mag off at #28, add the arredondo extension, depending on where you cut your spring, you'll get 30+ rounds. Same setup that SJC sells. And it should be just under the 170 rule.
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Shot production at the last two Nats with my 627x8, it's a good warm up for the revo division. Since I use a 627x6 for revo, not really a big difference. Some other guy shot his 627x8 in production last year, forgot his name, but he did pretty good against the bottom feeder crowd...
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It was nice to finally see a decent mention of the Revolver race at the USPSA Nationals, and I was glad to see Cliff pictured in the magazine instead of some old stock photo of Dan Carden wearing the pith helmet.
eh ah, that's gonna hurt....
Just talked to Dan, he was on a road trip somewhere, I think it was back to some state that starts with an "I"....
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In Feb of this year I took my m17 6 shooter back with me to the factory, left it there and in about 14 days it showed up with a new 10 shot cylinder in it. Total cost was $168 and some change. I brought it without the cylinder in it just be safe and save the factory from forgetting to send it back. For just straight up stuff, the factory isn't a bad deal to get stuff done.
Since I've had the gun back, 4 other owners of similar guns have done the same thing and everybody's happy with the "new" gun.
You must buy the ds-10 loaders after the conversion, I wouldn't leave home without them...
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My 610 is camfered just like the 625s. Why do you need more camfer on the 610? I am trying to learn something not question what you are doing.
Thanks
Jax,
My reason it that with the same size cylinder between the 625 and the 610 there is more space between the charge holes on the 610. That coupled with the use of round nose flat point bullets in 40 S&W makes for a bit slower/more difficult reloads for the 610 than the 625. Mine is chamfered quite a bit and the bullets will still hang up a bit. I'm thinking about getting deeper and wider on my chamfer. I'm going to look at it again this weekend.
What Carmoney and Tom E are talking about is what concerns me. If I go too deep and too wide the ends of the star could break off and maybe keep my cylinder from advancing properly. Best case scenario there is I have a fail to fire or jam. Worse case scenario is that it fires when the cylinder isn't lined up with the barrel. That worries me.
Chris
so you found the little problem with the 610 vs 625 (i use both and like them equally), go & get some round nose bullets from Billy Bullets and you'll never look back. The full round nose profile of the bullets will take care of the hang up that you're getting with the flat nose bullets. Throw in some moons from HearthCo and your're all set. Your reloads will be just about as fast with the 610 as they are with the 625, the 45's probably go in a little faster due to the final weight of the 230 vs 185, and spacing of the holes, but you should hardly notice that. A good quality moon will almost make up for it.
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about 30 rounds into the first class i ever took with a firearm, the stock guide rod shot down range after breaking in my almost new G35, maybe had 1500 rounds on it. Since then, I've broken 3, still have them around here. Broke my first steel one last week in a G27, it was an after market replacement for the factory STEEL one in the gun. They do break, if you haven't broken one, you're not shooting enough.
The Glock Armorers Course wants you to change them out something like every 3k rounds, probably the most swapped out for a new one part at GSSF matches.
michaels
You know why they break right? Improper installation. You have to seat the back end in the semi-circle notch in the barrel.
I think they break because they're plastic...
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about 30 rounds into the first class i ever took with a firearm, the stock guide rod shot down range after breaking in my almost new G35, maybe had 1500 rounds on it. Since then, I've broken 3, still have them around here. Broke my first steel one last week in a G27, it was an after market replacement for the factory STEEL one in the gun. They do break, if you haven't broken one, you're not shooting enough.
The Glock Armorers Course wants you to change them out something like every 3k rounds, probably the most swapped out for a new one part at GSSF matches.
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No steel guide rod?
What happens if you try to use a g27/g26 in SSP? They only come with a steel guide rod.
change the frickin rule and move on.
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I tried it with a Wolf set up. It had a two piece guide rod assembly that would capture their springs. Didn't work very well, feeding and extraction issues. Went back to the factory recoil spring and it was 100%. Came to the conclusion that maybe a compact .45 wasn't suited to minor pf.
The lightest load I ever tried was 3.5 gr of Trailboss with a 230 gr LRN, 1.250 OAL, 139 pf. Just tried it for fun really, cycled the gun but wouldn't eject every time. Maybe I'll try 3.7 some time.
try the sprinco uncaptured rod, I can go alway the down to 2.7 of clays with a 230 and she eats them right up. The spring I ended up using was 2lbs under factory.
Did the same thing with a g36 and it works great.
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There was this time when I got arrested in Tulsa (long story) and I had about 70 hearthco moonclips in my gun bag, the local cops couldn't care less about my guns and ammo, they were trying to figure out what these little round things were. I was thinking (wwcw) what would cliff walsh do in a situation like this, so I told the younger of the two cops that these were minuture mutant ninja throwing stars made by Dave Hearth, Master of the Universe. The two cops were so impressed that they had another charge to slap me with until they started throwing the moons and they wouldn't stick into anything. Long story boring, hearthco moons saved me from going to jail, I owe it all to you Dave Hearth...
So buy Hearthco moons or else, nothing works as good!!!
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last year at area 2, the shooter ahead of me walked up to the line and just a moment before being given the lamr command, his holser just fell to the ground. The gun stayed in, the DOH part lost both screws and the gun and holster just went with gravity. The Range Officers had a short meeting and then decieded that is was ok, sent the shooter to safe area and he repaired his holster so he could continue. I walked up to the line, shot the course of fire and at the unload and show clear put my gun into it's CR speed holster and turned around, there was a folding chair about 2 feet behind me that had my range bag on it. As I turned, the gun fell forward and went into the bag and did not bounce out. 3 of the range officers were standing there, waiting for me to come over and sign the score sheet. All they asked me was if I was a friend of the shooter before me and when I told them yes, they asked me to point out any other shooters that I knew on the squad. Two of the range officers looked at my gun in the bag and said something about don't do that again. One Range Officer was kind enough to move the gun for me and put into the sleeve of the bag after checking the gun. I'm now one of those who checks his holster many time during a match and I like to bag between stages if at all possible.
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Hmm. Problem fixed itself. No idea why...
Thanks anyway for the advice, which I have pasted into a folder on my home PC, just in case
Kevin, I logged into your computer and changed a couple of things, the internet should be working better for you. Could you deposit more money into paypal before this Wednesday?
thanks
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looks like it gonna hurt in the morning
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Thanks for the input everyone. I'm leaning towards getting the G35 and I see a lot of those for sale here so thats a plus. I knew the best way to decide is to handle or even shoot it, but there aren't too many guys around here with either one. Ill keep you guys posted once I purchase one. Thanks
Jim
G20 with a 40 cal barrel, throw in a grip reduction if you've got baby hands. Lone Wolf has aftermarket slides if you want to make it into a 6 incher. 40 never felt so good...
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We even offer food on one stage (chips/salsa) to help motivate shooters, we keep it right down by the start area.
I'd reconsider that. After finding my lead level too high I was told that a big contributing factor was eating after shooting without washing my hands first.
not a big problem here, wash station is about 40 feet away, we even installed an electric hand dryer there. When the food comes out, the line forms at the outdoor sink, or you see a lot of hand wipes coming out.
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at our range the squads are usually 8 plus shooters, we call out the order of shooters for the shooter, the on deck shooter and the person in the hole, then it's by name for at least 3 tapers, one steel setter and a mag/brass person. Anybody left over can help or stay behind.
We've put a safety area on each or next to each bay so a shooter after shooting can bag their gun, hoping that not having a gun on will make you want to go down range and work without the hassle of the gun on you. Over the next couple of matches we will have awnings down range closer to the start position, we hope that this will get people more involved, instead of sitting way back under the over hangs. We even offer food on one stage (chips/salsa) to help motivate shooters, we keep it right down by the start area.
After all this, I guess if those couple of range loafers fail to help, then we're just gonna have to cap their ass's and leave them for buzzards.
michaels
Reloading .38 Special
in Revolver Forum
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Wouldn't you think that under recoil, the bullet would sneak back into the case instead of going forward?
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