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I just this morning resprung/tuned a gun up for factory ammo.
Rem umc whitebox shoot fine, blazer primers still to hard though, 2/8 would fail to pop and would not go after repeated hits. Like you observed, even with just 6/8 popping, the amount the oal increased was impressive... unusable as you say.
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On 4/12/2024 at 8:51 PM, ysrracer said:
I think the real take-away is you need to know what works in YOUR gun. My gun won't turn with a .040 in there.
Yes.
I have 3, one of them will close but will not turn with .040 clips as well.
I have the tool to fix it but cant be bothered and honestly dont fully appreciate what other problem it might make, so that gun just runs .035's.
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Tk .040 with rp brass.
I also use .040 rev supply with same rp headstamp because they can be hand loaded without a tool and are snug enough that they work fine for me. This cuts down on the admin time/prep...
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2 hours ago, Makicjf said:
I'm a 38 super dumby. Would 38 super comp brass be better for full power loads?
Better than what?
There is load data for making major across a whole spectrum of bullet weights and powders. The king of such powders is 3n38 if your goal is gas volume.
If you just want "full power" then just goto 357 magnum of which there are reams of wildcat loads available that are 'safe'....
Sorry i misread, sc and super case volume are close enough that it doesnt matter, the main thing is sc is rimless, so more BB's in a 170mm mag...
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16 hours ago, Joe4d said:
or moonclip a schofield and run a western hollywood rig.... I'll still lose but can look cool doing it.
I had video of him shooting but its missing from phone somehow, apparently the last evidence of mr demarchi shooting icore with a break actio and speed loaders is lost...
Action shot though...
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On 2/2/2024 at 11:56 PM, Carmoney said:
There was a range in Iowa years ago where they would burn the shot-up pins in a barrel after the match and guys would cook hot dogs over them. Lead bullet fumes and all.
Sorta explains some of the behavioral issues we have seen in many of the older pin shooters!
Sounds like my kinda guys!
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If its accurate its totally fine.
A luminary i was brought into shooting sports by, the rule was crimp until it tumbles then back off an 1/8th. He came to this shooting thousands of rounds of berrys 158's painstakingly in batches searching for the best process.
He did very well at bianchi.
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11 hours ago, MWP said:
It’s the ticket to making pins move. You’ve got to try it.
No pin shoots around here, most of the stand and deliver off season stuff is plate racks in this area...
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28 minutes ago, Racinready300ex said:
I rarely see Dave or James shooting revolver. Mostly you'll see Dave in L10 and James in SS. When shooting IDPA they're in CDP and ESP.
There are other revolver shooters I stumble across, probably 3-5 of them ranging from A class to C class. I shot revolver like 7-8 years ago now.
Right, they are in those divisions because there are enough reg's to be recognized. One of them would show up with a revolver if enough other people did, guaranteed...
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1 hour ago, Mcfoto said:
I hate to be that guy, but I think this is a manufacturer trying to make a market. On social media I spotted a S&W “zazzle reel” touting their new models. One was a revolver with an optic. It looks very much like the 9mm R8 that JM used on the plate rack record but with the optic probably factory installed. I’m putting my tin foil hat back on now.
Its not impossible. Smith did not have this gun at SHOT last week though...
In the meeting a8 russ said he had been talking to revolver shooters in his area and they were in favor. The last rev shooters i am aware of in a8 are dave and james and i have my doubts that they are in favor of this. I haven't talked to dave in a minute and owe him a call anyways...
Ruger didnt have any of the 8 shots either unless i missed them on the row, it is on good authority production is being setup to produce them again though.
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40 minutes ago, Racinready300ex said:
That is more concerning then what happens to 5 revolver shooters
Board is changing already. 2 years ago this proposition simply would have passed on suggestion.
Distinguished GM would also have passed already.
Ben Berry causing discussion to pump breaks and stop changing things without member discussion is good(even tho he is the prod 15 proponent which is dumb).
Not to derail this thread...
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1 minute ago, MWP said:
Where’s this happening?
Good question, probably a2 around rio?
It used to be in a7 and a8, dave/josh/alec/me/dave and a few others would at least get enough entries for the division to be recognized. I don't think there has been enough in 5+ years now though since alec and josh quit and i gave up.
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On 1/20/2024 at 10:08 PM, Carmoney said:
230-gr. logs at a little over 1000 fps.
230 pf 
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30 minutes ago, pskys2 said:
Is it the tradition?
Or
Less fun?
Or
Think it will hurt the division?
I'm not either, but this thread is interesting...
yes
no(qualfied) as mike says, revolver is a spec miata, its mechanical and its all exposed, you have to work hard to get the most out of it. jay's post offer the same sentiment without the miata reference.
no, it won't matter, but it does screw up points for IPSC team(probably)
The last point is probably the one that matters the most at the bottom from a pure competition standpoint. I though it said in the USPSA mission statement or bylaws that the point of USPSA is to field competitors to IPSC world shoot. I went looking and could not find that statement anywhere, but for some reason I vividly remember reading something like that. It is the case though...and i fully get the argument that of the few thousand active uspsa members in any given year, only a fraction even know about IPSC, nevermind contention for a WS slot.
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1 hour ago, MWP said:
The gap from Limited to LO at this years nationals was 5%. The person who won LO is not commonly known as a pistol competitor, but the person who won Limited is. LO was 1.5% faster in overall match time, and shot 20% more As.
damn, max is a monster, holy s#!t.
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1 hour ago, Joe4d said:
10 targets, 20 A's shots.. say 15 seconds.. hf 6.66... AC every target in 14 seconds,, and you are at 6.4 hf. Like I said, basically 1/10 a second per point.
so if i shoot better points slightly slower, I win. got it.
1 hour ago, Joe4d said:Run a stage 2 seconds faster with 90% of points and you are winning that stage.
when the HHF is lowish, maybe 6, somewhere around there, this does not hold, which at match like nationals is going to be more than half the match.
At last nats, the winner went full ricky bobby speed to pull the win and he still had the 2nd most alphas.
2 hours ago, Joe4d said:The dot edge in revolver will be much less than for autos.
5-10% advantage. Its not way less than for autos, its probably exactly the same.
2 hours ago, Joe4d said:no way anyone will convince me
that's for sure
cheers!
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Absolute legend.
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1 hour ago, MikeyScuba said:
Given we only have 8 shots and are shooting minor I beg to differ. Yes you cam go a little faster but at the top it’s usually who gets more Alpha’s wins the match.
and my point was I’ve done my own head to head comparison with both guns. Yes it was icore. I doubt anyone has or can in USPSA
Usually but not always. At last uspsa nationals mwp outclassed the field on total time wildly, 2nd place was +30 seconds slower with 20+ more alphas.
This is fairly unusual but demonstrative that you can win with less(way less) alphas if you are insanely fast (compared to everyone else that day).
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6 minutes ago, Joe4d said:
discussion is about USPSA not ICORE,,, Basically a C zone hit in USPSA only adds 1/10th of a second to your score,, in Icore a B ( basically like a C USPSA) adds a second.. And often a hit on a target about like the A zone head, actually is a negative 1 second... Like night and day between the two games
your 5 seconds quicker in Icore,, would only equate to about half a second in USPSA.. Not to mention Icore stages tend to have less movement and reloads than a USPSA stage.
Not saying a dot isnt any advantage,, saying its not a statistically significant advantage.. Compared to other things going on.
USPSA revolver is a reloading contest.. Not a shooting contest.
Only problem with allowing dots will be peoples perceptions.Nah.
The 5 best revolver shooters are basically doing on the clock 2 sec reloads across the match, it is definitely not the deciding factor. Maybe they bang out a few magic 1.50's, but they are not all magic.
100% if optics are optional every single person in contention will be shooting a red dot.
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3 hours ago, Joe4d said:
Playing USPSA with a revolver will come down to movement, stage plan and reloading ,, Not the dot..
Simply not a big enough accuracy advantage, and the shooting is not hard enough, to make up for differences in reloading speed.The holes in the targets matter, shooting a dot is faster and more accurate. This is the case and it definitely matters.
Everything matters when the difference between 1st and 2nd is 1% of the available match points.
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8 hours ago, Carmoney said:
A good revolver shooter with decent eyes would run most of the more popular USPSA classifier stages faster with iron sights than with a dot.
Nah.
Im sure someone(jay) could go pull the co vs prod scores with his magic data mining scripts, and my bet is co hit factors will be universally higher.
I am positive mwp has data for himself and will be in agreement for you, but mike is the limit case, he is not merely good.
On match day when the score matters, over a season, the dot will be better(on classifiers) for a good shooter.
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On 1/15/2024 at 2:12 PM, MWP said:
I’ve shot a few. You aren’t missing anything.
We would see more if they were priced competitively with the Smith and Ruger offerings, but I don’t think anyone would be replacing the current popular guns with one.
I handled one this week for first time, they are undeniably nice, but not 6000 nice. I can get 2 929's with full action jobs and a pile of moonclips and accessories from Eli for that much...
If they were 1500 retail you would see more of them irl for sure.
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On 1/25/2024 at 10:49 AM, Fishbreath said:
The embedded assertion here is that lots of divisions is a problem, and I haven't yet heard a convincing argument as to why.
As long as there is a national title to be had, and a dedicated nationals for those chasing it, you are right. When foley made revolver nats a standalone match, it got 116 i think. The previous year, when revolver was with open nationals, it had 17, which is about where it is now i think.
See mikes argument around irc. It fits here, guys just go where to least competition is to secure a win. If you give the division its own Nationals, you will get guys coming out of woodwork that you would never expect.
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On 1/25/2024 at 12:26 PM, MWP said:
Watered down competition. You’ve shot the IRC- you know what’s happening there. There’s a race in maybe 1 division, usually by people who can’t seriously race in another. We can almost always mail the trophies to the division winners using the sign up sheet a week out. Not very fun.
I’m down for 30 uspsa divisions as long as they’re all at their own nationals. But that’s not the case.
Yep, i dont see how this is fixable though. Pond is just to small. To make irc interesting it needs to be something that everyone would want besides another title like 10k for the open division (only) win or something, thats the only way its going to be all the contenders going for it.
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Posted · Edited by testosterone
the problem with revolvers is every time you change a tolerance, you change another tolerance somewhere else.
to increase the headspace you use one of these...
https://www.midwayusa.com/product/1007131416?pid=762245
this will shorten the yoke and consequently increase headspace.
Nn the other side of that equation though, the cylinder gap will decrease when the gun is loaded which is a much harder thing to adjust and more tools if it happens to work out that way...
if its close(and it probably is), you will probably be fine and not have a gap issue, if you send me your address and promise to send it back i will send you the tool...