[M&P Armorers Course]

Unfortunately, this class is officially canceled.

[M&P Armorers Course]

Per Randy,

We will cover drop in and semi drop in barrel fitting, and discuss the proper way to fit match/target barrels. That way when Bar-Sto is producing them, you will understand the fitting process.

Here's a flier for the class for anyone interested

[M&P Armorers Course]

Operation Specific Training is proud to announce, in conjunction with Apex Tactical Specialties, Inc., the M&P Armorer's Course.

You’ll walk away from this course with a sound understanding of how the S&W M&P is built and how to improve upon its revolutionary design.

Here are the details:

Who: Operation Specific Training will be hosting Randy Lee and Scott Folk of Apex Tactical Specialties, Inc.

What:

The M&P Armorers course is a 10 hour one day class consisting of 2 modules. The first module consists of the mechanical operation of the M&P series pistols, its assemblies/subassemblies and their interactions during normal function. The student will become familiar with disassembly and reassembly of the pistol as well as troubleshooting common problems seen in the field. Further, students will have the opportunity to learn about and install performance parts from Apex Tactical Specialties, Inc. Also covered are any updates, revisions or design changes that have been implemented by the factory into the current product line pistols.

The second module will be highlights from our Practical Fundamentals course. This live fire portion will provide the student with a better understanding of the trigger prep method and how this type of refined trigger control can take advantage of the benefits afforded by the Apex trigger components that were integrated into the pistols in module 1.

Other topics covered are:

• The draw

• Multiple shots

• Transitions between targets

Where:

Mesa PD Shooting Range

2550 N. Center St

Mesa, Az 85201

When: November 19, 2011

Class size and qualifications

Class size is presently limited to 25 students

Pre-requisite

M&P pistol

An open mind and a willingness to learn.

Instructors:

Jerry Jones

Randy Lee

Scott Folk

Course Pricing: $300

Range fees: None

Forum member / Local Host: Mitch L.

Ammunition, Attire and Equipment:

Firearm: Your own personal M&P pistol in good working order

Pen and paper.

Eye Protection

1/8″ Roll Pin Punch -Recommend Brownell’s PN: 230-100-004

1/16″ Pin Punch – Recommend Brownell’s PN: 587-475-062

Small Jeweler’s or Gunsmith’s hammer – Recommend Brownell’s PN: 249-746-220

Bench block with a hole in it to allow pins to push out of the frame. (A roll of painters tape works just as well.)

Ammunition: 500 rounds of quality factory or commercially reloaded ammo.

Hydration: Camelback or equivalent, is recommended.

Hearing Protection – Electronic hearing protection is recommended.

Apex Products: In order to assure that enough parts are brought to the event, please put in your request for parts with Apex at least a week prior to the first day of training. email scott@apextactical.com for parts requests or call 805-528-5250

What to bring to a Operations Specific Training (OST) Pistol Course – http://opspectraining.com/training.php#4

How to sign up:

Register here on OpSpecs website

or

Please contact our Training Coordinator, Kyle Sandlin, if you would like to register for this course.

Email: kyle@opspectraining.com with the following information:

Name

Address

Phone number

Police Department name.

or call 270-983-0836

Payments can be made over the phone with a credit card, or you can mail your payment to:

Operation Specific Training

P.O. Box 193

Helena, AL 35080

Where to stay:

Mesa Marriott

200 N. Centennial Way

Mesa, Az 85201

Link

[S&W M&P Question]

The Pro has a different slide profile which is slightly heavier, comes with FO front sight, and Performance Center trigger. When I was deciding between the two I chose the 9L and added Apex components and plan on Ameriglo sights, very happy with my decision.

[Will the RAM work on M&P with mag safety?]

There are 2 versions of the RAM, the standard and the light version. The light has a different spring that is designed to work with the mag disconnect model M&P's, and as the name implies, it has a lighter tactile reset.

You can remove the disconnect (google it and look for instructions from Dan Burwell or Youtube) but you'll still need a longer spring to fill the void left by the disconnect lever (found at Speed Shooter Specialties as Mag Safety Deactivation Spring). You'll also need a frame plug as It acts as a spacer and prevents the left side steel insert from distorting due to torque under recoil.

[iPhone Shot Timer App]

i downloaded it but I can't get it to make a buzzer. My volume is all the way up and it says it works with the ipod touch.........what do I need to do for the buzzer?

With 3rd Gen and older iPods you have to plug in the headphones provided with the iPod, they have a mic on them that pics up your shots. IPhones obviously have a mic built in. You won't hear the buzzer with any other headphones, not sure why. I believe 4th Gen's have a mic built in so they may work without the headphones, I'll check it out on my wife's new iPod.

ETA: You can hear the buzzer without the headphones on. I use electronic ear pro but haven't tried it with EP3's or plugs.

[M&P Parts Diagram/Schematic]

M&P Armorers Manual

Schematic on page 15

[Why switch from M&P9 to 9L]

The additional slide mass definitely aids in reduced felt recoil. My 9L points better than my FS .45 in my paws as well (not exactly apple to apples comparison but the addition 1/2 inch makes the difference for me). The Apex components have been a wonderful addition to mine. 2 dot Warren's are my next purchase for this pistol. I haven't fired the FS 9 in competition but I absolutely love my 9L so I see no reason to change.

[New AR options]

Like stated above it depends on what you want out of it. Is it strictly a race gun? Or is a multi use i.e. competition/defensive? I've got a 16" JP that is an awesome race gun but I'm purchasing another upper to beat up in carbine classes.

[New Vortex Optics 1-4x]

I did a search and didn't see anything already posted on it and thought it might be worth starting a thread on. Vortex optics is coming out with a new 1-4x with Illuminated reticle. MSRP is $599 but I imagine the true market price will be lower. It "looks" promising and is feature packed. Hopefully it will be as nice in person as it is on paper.

Vortex Tactical

[TA11 vs. TA33 ACOG's]

As far as long range shooting, I saw a Trijicon Rep. shooting at the RM3G a couple of years ago (when the TA-33) just came out. He was using the TA-33 and had no problems ingaging (and hitting) targets out to the 400+ range

Rep or not, this certainly speaks to it, and ultimately the shooters, capability.

[TA11 vs. TA33 ACOG's]

Good input all. Brain thanks for your account with the TA33. Would you say that the rifle balances better with the lower weight and profile of the TA33? This may be a given but a first hand account is reassuring. Does the .5x magnification of the TA11 offer little advantage over the TA33 at a comparable range, say 300-400 yards?

Xre, you're spot on with your synopsis of the TA11. It has been popular and I believe thats due to the fact that it has been around long enough to prove itself. I have wondered recently why the TA33 isn't more common amongst 3-gunners. The eye relief is reasonable, reticles are comparable to the TA11 for the most part, and its smaller and lighter. On the flip side it has a smaller FOV and slightly lower magnification. The FOV seems to be the deciding factor. I'm sure this is splitting hairs, thanks for the input gentlemen. Xre, to the best of my knowledge Trijicon produces the TA11H in red, it may be possible to retro the green fiber optic into it however.

[TA11 vs. TA33 ACOG's]

The TA11 has proven to be a capable optic for 3-gun for some time but has anyone tried the TA33? I'm sure some have overlooked it due to its slightly lower magnification and smaller FOV in favor of the slightly heavier and proven TA11. I'm curious how the circle dot reticle of the TA33H-G will compare to the TA11's donut when applied to 3-gun. I certainly don't have the cash to sponsor a side by side comparison but maybe someone else already has. So, if you've used it or own the TA33, do you like it over the TA11, or vise versa? If you ever thought about purchasing the TA33 for use in 3-gun but didn't, why? I hope to spark some conversation and learn from the more experienced shooters on the board.

[New IOR Valdada scope]

Sorry FMCDH, its not my glass, wish it was! I posted photos for a member of another board that didn't know how. I'll update as he does.

[New IOR Valdada scope]

IOR Pitbull Reticle Photos

1x Illuminated

1x

[New IOR Valdada scope]

I can't understand why the power ring would be marked for anything between 1 and 4 if it is completely blury ???????

sounds like there is a problem with the scope or it should not be marked with anything but 1 and 4.

I think Dustin is modeling an IOR other than the Pitbull. That may be why its marked with other settings.

Chuck -

Is the reticle daylight visible?

[New IOR Valdada scope]

Looks like SWFA has these in stock now

[New IOR Valdada scope]

Any update to anyone handling this scope.

I would have thought that this one cost a lot until I spend a bunch of $ going to the IRON Man only to have my scope loose zero after a few stages.

Let me know if you like this one, Thanks

Here's a recent review, only one I've seen so far

Tactical Gun Fan

[Looking for AR type steel to shoot]

I bought a setup from an unnamed company a few weeks ago. Its was comparatively cheap at $55 shipped. It uses a bolt to secure the plate to the stand and after a couple hundred rounds the head stripped out and the plate fell off. The plate doesn't cover the holder either so its susceptible to missed rounds hitting it. With some minor improvements it'll work just fine but the GT targets look like an improved version for a bit more.

[Blue Force Gear Ten Speed Mag Pouch]

Looks pretty clean. Let us know how it holds up over the long term.

[Blue Force Gear Ten Speed Mag Pouch]

Just got mine today. Very nice for those folks that do some work with chest rigs etc. Stays good and flat when you don't have to have the mags inserted. I hear that they have a single and double in the works. Those should work good for 3 gun. I will give them a try.

Chris C.

Let us know how it works out for you. I hear they're coming out with a whole line, to include a chest rig.

[Blue Force Gear Ten Speed Mag Pouch]

"works from the premise that a magazine pouch should have excellent, consistent retention without a lot of securing straps, lids, or flaps to get in the way of a smooth, consistent reload. When not in use, the pouch is designed to lay flat against your vest or carrier so that it is completely discrete and unobtrusive. Primarily intended for personnel performing fast, short duration operations where speed and a low profile are paramount." - blueforcegear.com

Experiences? Thoughts?

[New IOR Valdada scope]

IOR Pitbull

Reports from IOR are that this will be available with several mounting options, one being a twist off european style QD mount. Similar to the EAW mount. Also, the center dot (of a BDC reticle) is the only portion of the reticle that is illuminated and is 3-MOA (unconfirmed). It doesn't use a throw lever, rather a mag. ring like traditional optics. I'm excited to see initial reviews.

TECHNICAL DATA

MAGNIFICATION.....................................................1x or 4x

OBJECTIVE SIZE.....................................................32mm

FIELD OF VIEW @ 100 YDS.......................................38 - 144 ft

EXIT PUPIL ............................................................32 - 8mm

EYE RELIEF ............................................................3.5 in

DIOPTRICAL ADJUSTMENT...................................... -4 TO +4 DPT.

CLICK VALUE @ 100 yds.........................................0.1 MRAD (1 cm)

RETICLE ADJUSTMENT RANGE ................................15 MRAD (54 MOA) @ 100yds

TUBE DIAMETER.....................................................35 mm

LENGTH ................................................................7.25 in

WEIGHT................................................................23 oz.

BATTERY...............................................................CR 2032

COATINGS.............................MC-7 BROAD BAND FULLY MULTICOAT, ANTIREFLEX

OPTICAL GLASS......................................................PREMIUM SCHOTT, GERMANY

[Any thing else besides AR for 3-Gun]

this may be a little off topic but has anyone seen or used an STG556 or the AXR at a match?

[Horus Talon w/H50]

I assume the same but I was hoping someone had first hand experience