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    Spectators Carrying Concealed Ok?

    in USPSA/IPSC Rules

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    I think this is definitely an issue where CC is common, for the competitor that CC or a spectator. At a cold range where do unload the carry gun? Can't go to the safety area, can't handle a gun anywhere else. At our range people stop outside the gate and unload on the side of the access road.

    This one we do have a rule for:

    2.5 Unloading/Loading Station
    2.5.1 If it is possible that some competitors arriving at a range where a
    USPSA match is being held may be in possession of a loaded firearm
    on their person (e.g. law enforcement officers, persons duly authorized
    to carry a loaded firearm, etc.), match organizers should provide an
    Unloading/Loading Station to enable such competitors to safely unload
    their firearms prior to entering the range, and to safely load their
    firearms again on departure from the range. The Unloading/Loading
    Station should be conveniently located outside the entrance to the range
    (or outside the portion of the range allocated to the USPSA match), it
    should be clearly sign-marked and it must include a suitable impact
    zone.
    2.5.2 Where no Unloading/Loading station is provided, a competitor who
    arrives at a match in possession of a loaded firearm and proceeds
    immediately to a match official for the express purpose of safely
    unloading the firearm shall not be subject to disqualification per the
    provisions of Rule 10.5.13.

    .40 Major in CDP

    in IDPA Shooting

    Posted

    What doesn't make sense to me is why the most popular Law Enforcement cartridge (.40) is thrown in with the low-recoil divisions, when it is clearly not low recoil with commercial ammo. Sure, you can load them light, but you could also do the same thing with 45 (and many people do). I own both, and there is no doubt that the recoil of a .40 is in the same league as a .45. Many people even say they find factory .40 harder to control than factory .45. Clearly, both are much closer to each other in terms of recoil than they are to 9mm.

    To me, adding 8-round 40's at 165 pf to CDP has the positive effect of encouraging .40 owners to practice and compete with full-power ammo. I don't see any negative effects. I know that for now I would use the same gun I use for SSP (cz 75b in 40), and load it to major and shoot CDP if it were allowed. I still think .45 has some advantages due to heavier bullets, lower pressures, ubiquity of very nice 5" barrel single-action guns, etc...

    This. The point of divisions should be to have a competitive home for anything someone might want to shoot. The only gun I can think of that has nowhere to be competitive in USPSA is the 9mm Browning High Power. In IDPA on the other hand, anything that shoots major PF and isn't a 45 gets screwed.

    Prizes at USPSA majors

    in USPSA/IPSC Shooting

    Posted

    So? Reward the winners.

    Yes! The winner in class, not just the GM's and M's. A D class shooter is paying the same fee to shoot the match.

    He may be paying the same match fee, but he's not shooting as well. To me, winning implies shooting the best, not being the best sandbagger. I'm not saying all class winners are sandbaggers, but if every match gives out valuable prizes for class wins, most of them will be eventually.

    Production Mag Rules

    in USPSA/IPSC Rules

    Posted

    How about putting one more mag pouch on your belt, and use it. It sounds like your original routine was an absolute nightmare, and would require transferring the gun around to reach into the proper pocket. I don't get why you don't keep your mags on your belt.

    My gun never leaves my strong hand with the original routine.

    Well, it is, really. It is a non-intuitive rule...about a fairly minor issue...that has rather large repercussions.

    Exactly. I've already emailed my AD; we'll see what he thinks about it.

    I suppose the real solution is for me to move out of Massachusetts, so I can just put 11 in the first mag.

    Production Mag Rules

    in USPSA/IPSC Rules

    Posted

    Before the first kerfuffle over this, my loading procedure was: take barney mag with 1 round out of right front pocket, chamber round, replace now empty mag in right front pocket, retrieve full 10 rounder from left front pocket and insert, holster, wait for beep. After the stage, I would put the partial mag from the gun in the left front pocket.

    Between the first thread and the clarification, I fumbled around with everything in my rear pockets. It was really annoying, and required far more muzzle awareness while dicking around.

    After the clarification, I went back to my old procedure. It now sounds like the part where I put the *empty* magazine in my front pocket is a bump to open. Not sure what I'm going to do now. I really don't like fumbling with the rear pocket. Maybe I'll hand my barney mag to the RO until the rule gets fixed.

    I think this is a stupid 'gotcha' rule that serves no purpose. I suggest changing it to only using a magazine from an illegal location during the course of fire after the start signal being a bump to open.

    Distinguished Master

    in IDPA Shooting

    Posted

    Prior to the addition of DM, I've always thought giving the guy who finishes second a "1st master" trophy was silly. "Oh, you won the match, congrats" "No, actually I finished second" "But it says 1st master, is there a higher class" "No" "????"

    I think some number of overall placement awards should be given out before getting in to classes. Maybe the top ten? I'm an SSP EX. Say I have a great day at a major, and the overall finish is DM,M,M,Me(EX),M,M,M,M,EX,EX,... I'd much rather have a 4th place overall trophy than a 1st expert.

    The problem I have with giving out DM only at the two nationals with no participation requirement is how different the difficulty of achieving it is across divisions. There were only 12 shooters TOTAL in ESR. By comparison, in SSP, there were 21 Masters! Obviously Jerry is DM material, but say he went minor at chrono or something. Should the next guy at 70% of Jerry's score really be a DM? No offense intended toward said shooter, he's a local and I consider him a friend. I'd bet he'd say the same thing.

    Eliminate divisions from classification system?

    in USPSA/IPSC Shooting

    Posted

    I didn't read this WHOLE thread but here is my 1 issue with the current system:

    Why wait for 4 classifiers before you are automatically classed in every other division. If you are an "A" class Limited shooter - you should INSTANTLY become "B" in everything else - why wait for 4 classifiers to get classed? This would save having people shoot the "U" division who are actually classed high in other divisions. Not picking on anyone but last week at MS Classic Max Jr. won HOA SS while being "U" class - I know he just started shooting but if there were others in the class would it have been fair for Max to be 1st "U" when everyone knows how great he is?

    Get rid of the 4 classifiers to be classified if automatically classified in another division. All this would do is eliminate some sandbagging

    There's no such thing as first U. Unclassified shooters compete for overall place in division only.

    Hell froze over.

    in USPSA/IPSC Rules

    Posted

    Sounds like the correct call to me. I agree with adding a vision barrier if you catch it before the match starts, but I actually prefer the forbidden action once the match is started. Otherwise, earlier competitors had the opportunity to see a miss on the target in question and make it up, which later competitors don't.

    Double Action in SC Production Division

    in Steel Challenge

    Posted

    Hey guys, new SC shooter here. I just watched my first match this past weekend and came here to actually ask the same thing, as I have a CZ SP-01 Shadow.

    Just to make sure I have this correct. At the start of the first 5 shots at "make ready", you load the mag, rack the slide, lower the hammer manually, put on the safety, and holster the gun? When you're done shooting the first 5 shots, you have to again drop the hammer manually, put the firearm on safe and then re-holster. Is that how it goes?

    If it's the same as USPSA rules, if the hammer is down you don't have to apply the safety.

    Race to B Class

    in Training Techniques

    Posted

    Found out when I got to the match today that it was a special with 4 classifiers. Scores were 56%, 58%, 63%, and 68%. The 58 is a dupe of a 62 from February. If I did the math right (another duplicate score aged off), I'm sitting at right now 60.2%. I'm shooting next Sunday, and next on the chopping block is a 62.5%. So, to get bumped next update, I need to be below 35, or above 62. I thought about shooting a different division, but if I make it this month I make it, otherwise it'll come soon enough.

    Well, I blew the classifier the last Sunday of April, so I didn't get bumped this month. However, I shot a 73.5% this past Sunday for my best classifier yet. I have schedule conflicts with the other USPSA matches this month, so I'll get bumped next update for sure. :cheers:

    Eliminate divisions from classification system?

    in USPSA/IPSC Shooting

    Posted

    I think if there are no valuable prizes for high shooters in class, some sandbagging will still occur, but no one will really care. This discussion wouldn't need to happen because there wouldn't be any chance of a M in one division shooting A and getting valuable prizes in another division.

    But... whatever.... I recognize that my view is in the minority. I've been making the same arguments for years in other sports. In those sports I have managed to achieve and compete in the higher classes. I at least feel consistent that my opinion hasn't changed even tho I'm in the lowest classes of shooting. I'm still more interested in improving my skill and moving up through c, b and as far as I can get than I am in 'winning' my class of other people who weren't good enough to classify higher. :cheers:

    I agree with most of your view. IMO, prizes should either be random draw or strict order of finish. Anything else is either going to encourage sandbagging or be random by another name. Don't get me started on the idiocy that is Lewis Class. "If I had shot just a bit worse, I would've won my class and gotten a prize..."

    Eliminate divisions from classification system?

    in USPSA/IPSC Shooting

    Posted

    I like having the classification system to track my progress as I get better. The only time I've looked where I finished in my class was at Area 7, to see if I got a nationals slot. I'm fine with class awards if it's what people want, but I think prize tables should be order of finish and/or random draw. Prizes based on class create a clear incentive to sandbag. Is sandbagging to get the first C certificate really something people do?

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