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Well, I appreciate all the feedback to my questions. I actually went with the CZ Tactical Sports. Most everything about the Limited and TS seemed equal with the TS having a better trigger out of the box, fixed sight that's not going to fall apart, and a bit cheaper aftermarket magwell. It was a tough choice but in the end, pretty much everybody who has a Limited or TS loves it and they are so similar that it was just a few minor things that swayed me to the CZ. The fact that CZ's are actually available was also another factor of course.

Thanks for the info on ammo. I ordered the stainless guiderod to replace the factory one so I'll just not use the recoil buffers.

@ kneelingatlas - so it seems that basically a lot of the accessories are kind of a wash between the Tanfo and CZ TS. I'll only need to buy one more mag to get up and running with the CZ and new + basepads and followers are about the same for either. I understand the Tanfos anecdotally like longer length ammo but I used to have a Limited and it ran great with factory length stuff. With the CZ do you shoot standard/normal length ammo or do you reload? If you just shoot store bought ammo how does the CZ run with it? One reason I considered getting the Tanfo was that I could slap a compensated top end on it and play in Open too. I think though that with the inconvenience of having to remove and reinstall a dot sight and re-zero it every time that I'll just wait and get a dedicated gun for that at a later time.

Briley used to have Witness barrels. They don't list them for sale on their site but it might be worth a phone call.

Sweet. Thanks.

I'm preparing to move form my current 9mm USPSA Limited gun (XDM) to a .40 and have narrowed down the choices to either the CZ TS or the Tanfoglio Limited ( or Stock III, Bullseye, etc). I see a lot of posts about how the CZ is cheaper than the Tanf. but wherever I look online they are both very similar at right around $1100.00. Is there a dealer I don't know about who sells these for less? Given that they are the same price, have about the same support in custom parts and are very similar in most other respects, price could be a deciding factor. Thanks!

Quick question regarding this magwell. Does the version shown below simply bolt on through the holes in the back or is it a weld-on? Thanks!

I hadn't really considered a 6" gun but I'd think the longer sight radius would be nothing but an advantage. It looks like the Bullseye does not have the cone type barrel like the Limited but again I'd also think the longer barrel and slide would make up for the weight difference. Well, I guess that's just one more gun that's in the running. So on the Bullseye vs. Limited, is there really anything other than the different barrel (and magwell that I wouldn't be using) that I'd be getting for the approx. $200 difference in price?

Thanks for the replies. I'm still undecided, but it's good to have more/correct info. Really it will probably come down to which one is available first. I think both would work great.

Whenever any of these actually become available I'd like to get either the Stock III or Limited for USPSA shooting. I've had a Limted before and loved it. I've seen the new Stock III now and I'm wondering if that might be just as good a choice. As far as I can tell these are the main differences: Stock III has shorter barrel vs. Limited (4.5 vs 5.0) Stock III can be fired both DA and SA whereas Limited is SA only. Stock III does not have a magwell I'd planned on getting one of Henning Walgren's giant magwells for whichever gun I get so with the Limited I'd end up having an extra magwell I don't need. Considering I'm getting that magwell anyway what would be the advantage of paying the extra $$$ for the Limited? I don't know if the extra .5" length in the barrel would make any real difference. It seem like the weight of the extra material needed for the rail would make up for any lost in the shorter frame/barrel with the Stock III. Basically is there anything else I'm not considering that would make the Limited the better choice in my situation? Thanks!

Well, I finally got to shoot my Limited in a match tonight. The gun really is awesome. Since ammo is so expensive right now and I'm usually really busy, I don't get to practice shooting very much. Matter of fact I usually just shoot two matches a month and never get a chance to shoot in between. This will keep me from ever being one of the "top dogs" so I try to gain every advantage I have in other ways. By having good equipment at least I can gain a little ground on the competition. "Good equipment" is one thing but I've never had a piece of gear improve my performance like this. The gun's ergonomics seem to be so ideal for me that lining up the sights when I draw just happens automatically and really speeds up getting on target. No kidding, I'd have to guesstimate my times were reduced by at least 25% shooting this gun instead of my 1911, because I'm not "waving the gun around" trying to line up the sights after I draw, and as the gun's settling after the shots break. The recoil feels much less than my .45 1911, or even the Springfield XD 9mm I shot for a little while. I guess that's mostly due to the slide mass being a little lower, the Limited's heavier weight, and the way it fits my hand. At IPSC ranges "super accuracy" is not really a big deal but my hits really improved also. I'd say the better hits in this match were 5% due to better accuracy inherent in this gun and 95% due to it just being so "shootable" for me. I had just one "mike" in the whole match. Normally I'll have a few. It was on the last stage and I know it happened just because I was feeling so "bulletproof" with the way the gun was running, I pushed just a little too far for a bit more speed and dropped a shot. I'm just using factory ammo. My understanding is that most people load their own ammo a little long, but the gun had no jams or any other problems. I had a few slow double taps, I think because I was "shortstroking" the trigger. I just need to get used to the longer reset to the Lim's trigger vs. the 1911, which will come as I get more used to it. I'll have to see what happens when the results are posted, but I'd guess I went from my normal middle of the pack finish, to top 25% in tonight's match. Until I can get to the range more, I'll probably never win, but it sure is fun to perfom better. Anyway, sorry for gushing like this, and I'm probably preaching to the choir here, but I love this thing.

Yeah, that kind of surprised me a little, but I like the ones that are on mine better. I'm used to 1911 safeties which are still narrower than these. As far as what accuracy I'm getting - maybe saying this is the most accurate pistol I have is not what I really meant to say. It may be, but I didn't try to shoot for a group or specifically to get an idea of the gun's inherent accuracy. It's probably better to say it is now the gun I shoot most accurately. I really enjoy the shooting sports but I'm really not that great at it. More practice is what I really need, but I'm pleased that a change of equipment seems to have improved my shooting. I was surprised that I shot better with a gun I'd never fired before than with the ones I'm really familiar with. I'm not sure if that's because the gun is more accurate, the ergonmoics are better, it's just mental, or all the above, but I know I like it.

I'll try that, thanks. Yes the gun came with all 4 mags. 2 - 18 rd and 2 - 21 rd with Gram's followers and springs.

I haven't asked Rich, but I think the gun came with the single sided wider paddle safety. He swapped it for the ambi, and I guess he just happened to have a blue one. I'm going to refinish the safety in gunkote later. Their "stainless" looks more like brushed hard chrome than stainless, just FYI. I got a chance to shoot it this last weekend and I was very impressed. It's easily the most acurate handgun I own. With ammo prices so high I only ran about 150 rounds through it but had no problems. The thing is a machine. Up till now I've been shooting a 1911 .45 in IPSC matches with factory ammo at 190-200 PF. With this heavier gun and ammo at around 175 PF, recoil felt lighter than my 9mm. The gun just points so naturally and the recoil is "snappy" compared to .45 but so much more easily managable than what I've been using, I can tell it's going to immediately make me more competitive. I used about half Winchester 165 gr. (USA40SW) and half Blazer Brass 180 gr loads and it liked both. I couldn't tell much difference in recoil between the two. I'm going to order a fiber optic front sight and new recoil springs from Henning as soon as I'm able. Oh, and I have a question too. I have a CR Speed holster that I intended to use with this gun. Problem is the trigger guard is so sharp, it's shaving a little bit off the plastic piece in the holster that retains the gun with every draw. There's also too much play front to back in that holster, the gun can flop around pretty good if you're moving at all. The directions that came with the holster mention the Witness competition guns specifically as having sharp triggerguards and recommends they be filed down. I think I'd rather alter my $100 holster than my $1000 gun if at all possible, so short of buying a different holster, any ideas?

The spring packages say: MOLLA DIS. 54AA KG 5,09 MOLLA DIS. 53AA KG 5,59 Not sure about the weight of the spring that's actually in the gun.

Just received my Witness Limited from Rich at Canyon Creek. WOW, this thing is awesome. I can not wait to get out and shoot it. It's nice and hefty and I imagine that, along with the slide being mounted lower than most pistols' will help lower the recoil a bit. This gun just points more naturally and feels better in my hand than any other gun I've handled. Rich does some work on the guns before he sends them off. The trigger is just right. Not sure about the poundage as I don't have a scale, but I definitely like it. It has an upgraded sear (EGW I think). A little baggy containing the old sear, an extractor and a firing pin was included. I didn't even realize that was part of the package, but it looks like Rich upgraded those parts as well. I was surprised at some of the little extras that came with the gun. The thumb safety is ambidextrous and the "thumb rest" parts are a little smaller than the really wide ones you often see on the Witness competition guns, but I like them. The left side wider paddle safety was also included separately though. There are 2 different weight recoil springs (they're marked in kgs so I'll have to do some math if I need to try them), and a cool little cleaning kit. Anyway, these guns seem to be a great value to get up and running in Limited. For the gun, mags, and gunsmithing, you'd be looking at $2500-3000 to get into an STI and I don't think you'd have a lot more gun. Hopefully it'll run as good as it looks. I will report on that. Pictures will follow soon.

I'm curious too. I was thinking about getting one.

Hopefully I'll have a new Elite Limited within about a month. I'm just getting back into IPSC/USPSA after not shooting at all for about 5 years. Well, I was shocked that a box of .40 ammo that used to cost me $9.00 back then is about $16.00 now! I need to practice a lot if I'm going to be competitive at all. A .22 conversion would at least allow me some more trigger time even if it doesn't replicate the recoil. Which one will work with the new large frame .40's? Is it the one that fits the 38 Sup / 45 frame? I couldn't really tell, going by EAA's website. Also, they don't show .22 magazines on their site. Are those available? Any help is again appreciated.

Thanks for the heads up I just emailed Rich about ordering one. One other thing, what's the difference in the factory and EGW slide stop?

I need a little help. I'm considering the .40 Witness Elite Limited as my new limited gun for IPSC/USPSA. I have always liked the Witness pistols, but never gave them much consideration for competition because of the mag capacity limitations vs. STI or other "widebody" type guns. Now I see Henning has .40 S&W mags available that hold 21 rds, which makes the Witness a viable option for limited. I have always understood that the 9mm and .40 Witness pistols were built on the "small frame". I had thought that you would not be able to get that many rounds of .40 into such a gun without having a mag which is longer than 140mm. So what am I missing? Are the new .40s built on the "large frame"? Also, I live in Oklahoma City. When I ask the dealers in my area about ordering such a pistol from EAA all I get are strange looks or they say they can't do it. Anybody got any advice on where to order one of these? Thanks for any help, and sorry if these are all dumb questions or if they have been asked a million times already.