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    2020 SMM3-G

    in Multi-Gun, Rifle & Shotgun Match Announcements

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    6 minutes ago, kurtm said:

    We have been working feverishly in our labs to counter the 2-Gun infection and have come up with a very effective therapeutic system to help as we struggle to find a vaccine. It consists of a set of dumbbells shaped like shotgun shells, to strengthen the upper body. A set of ankle weights filled with buckshot to strengthen weakening legs. A set of decals that makes your scope appear to be iron sights when you look through it (fits most LPVS except for really cheap ones cause to see through some of those is pretty "tough"). A bottle of male enhancement pills and a picture of He-Man with a shotgun in his hands, his rifle slung....iron sighted of course, his pistol hot and holstered, with over 50 rounds of shotgun ammo in all sorts of carriers for insparation. 

    Or we could just avoid having stupid shotgun stages...….

    What's the Length limit for comps/muzzle breaks in 3 gun?

    in Rifle - Technical

    Posted

    On 2/13/2020 at 2:32 PM, kurtm said:

    The guys that ran S.O.F. hated comps of all kinds, but after the 1994 ban a lot of rifles were made with comps to get around the evil "flash hider" Claus in the law. I was at the shooters meeting where "S.O.F." polled the shooters about should they allow them. Bennie Cooley petitioned for comps on behalf of Armalite, and it was decided to allow them about the size of the Armalite pinned and welded comp,1"x3". Latter when S.O.F. shut down folks started getting comps which were longer than 3". It was me who made the new ruling for Rocky Mountain 3-Gun that it was 3" from the muzzle, not the threaded portion, which allowed many more rifles into the tactical division. This rule caught on and is still here today.

     

    Then I blame you Kurt Miller.  I blame you.  I wanted JP tank brakes on all my guns....

     

    3-Gun Recession?

    in Multi-gun Rules / Stage Design / Match Administration

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    On ‎1‎/‎1‎/‎2020 at 9:51 PM, StealthyBlagga said:

     

    Tactical/Tac Scope/Tac Optics has become a monstrosity, especially the shotguns which are ludicrous. However, being the most popular and "standard" of all the divisions, there is tremendous resistance to changing it. That's why we created Stealth... it's a sandbox to explore what Tactical Division should be. Stealth is more than just optics on a pistol (in fact, I stuck with irons in favor of more ammo). The pistol can be single-action and ported/compensated so long as it fits in the Stealth box, the rifle is essentially unrestricted except for mag capacity (max 30 rounds), and the shotgun rules specifically limit the magazine tube length so a Stealth shotgun is short and handy (as all shotgun should be) although ghost-loading at start is allowed. Stealth was designed to allow a Tactical shooter to switch divisions with almost no equipment changes and remain competitive - all that is needed is to sub in a shorter shotgun magazine tube.

     

    As for results, bear in mind that - like USPSA - high overall results are not a thing. With this said, you can see how the top Tactical and Stealth shooters compare by reviewing the results for SMM3G 2019. Bottom line is that the results are too close to call (86% vs 83%, with age likely being a bigger factor than equipment). The winner of Stealth Division ran an iron sighted pistol.

    Hey, what's with the age comment!   But yes I ran an iron sighted pistol because I preferred ammo capacity over RDS.  While I'm not sure about allowing RDS in Tac Optics, it is coming nonetheless, you can only fight the future for so long.  I like the Stealth box rule but don't think that it will be popular with the Tac Ops crowd who will want a RDS and full mag capacity. 

    3-Gun Recession?

    in Multi-gun Rules / Stage Design / Match Administration

    Posted

    10 hours ago, Bryan 45 said:

     

    I generally agree with most of what you say, Kelly.  But I draw the line at "classic" targets.

     

    Reduce the size of a metric as much as needed, but all targets should have heads.

     

     

    I understand that.  I like the classic target for the shooting challenge but I agree as to its PC qualities.  That being said many (most?) IPSC countries are stuck with such target presentations.

    3-Gun Recession?

    in Multi-gun Rules / Stage Design / Match Administration

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    I don't think PRS is pulling that many shooters away from 3 gun (it hasn't gotten me ... yet).  PRS attracts shooters who find Highpower/Smallbore too boring and 3 gun too stupid. 

     

    I agree and disagree with Kurt as to the shotgun.  He's not wrong but I'm for a bit of tactical bird shooting to test the shotgun to its fullest extent.  I however completely agree that shotgun stages have gotten completely stupid which has turned me off from some 3 gun matches.  

     

    FYI IPSC rifle is definitely NOT long gun USPSA.  Accuracy is WAY more emphasized in IPSC rifle than in USPSA (pistol too but rifle even more so).  I think there was 1 "hoser" short course at Rifle World Shoot even the big close range long course  (40 rds/ targets at 15-20 meters) made shooters stop and aim. I don't think I shot on the move once at RWS. 

     

    And I'm in total agreement that 3 gun should be fun and accessible but it should also be challenging.  Local matches should be accessible for new and mid-level shooters but I do think that Major matches should be National level events with National level challenges - which probably takes them out of contention for newbies.  Every year (and I mean every), unprepared shooters complain about SMM3G and I always think "what did you expect, this is supposed to be a national level match."  The generation of shooters before us must weep. 

    3-Gun Recession?

    in Multi-gun Rules / Stage Design / Match Administration

    Posted

    Nationals stages are not local stages.  I just shot Area 2 and there was not one challenging shot for an Open gun much less a PCC (but it was a fun match with good stages).  I think that is one thing that will always separate 3 gun.  It's HARD.  It's DIFFICULT.  It takes a lot more gear.  It's more expensive.  It will always be more exclusive than most pistol shooting or PCC.   Clearly most people would rather squirt bullets at easy targets 10 yards away with their PCCs than shoot at a 50 yard plate rack offhand with their rifle.  It's much easier, much faster, and even when you fail, you still looked good.   

     

    I do think 2 gun has a lot to offer and will probably be the future of multigun shooting.  Now if we can only get IPSC Rifle to be popular. 

     

     

    3-Gun Recession?

    in Multi-gun Rules / Stage Design / Match Administration

    Posted

    3 gun (as do most other sports) from the inherent tension of keeping the sport challenging for experienced participants but welcoming for new shooters.  Richard does a very good job with stage design in this regard but that tension is always there.  

     

    I love me some IPSC shotgun but I agree with the sentiments that shotgun poses the biggest financial/psychological hurdle for most shooters.  Most of them have some sort of Glock/AR which are least eligible to complete with already but not the accoutrements for shotgun.   But past that, many suffer from the mental beat down from not being able to consistently hit a  target of any sort technical difficulty (one of the reasons PCC is so popular ... every shot is easy).  This goes back to my original thought.  I want 20-25 yard pistol plate racks, 400 yard rifle shots, tactical sporting clays and challenging offhand rifle shots in my 3 gun but that is not welcoming to new shooters.

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