I absolutely agree, I won’t purchase anymore 147s as I think these are playing with fire and will be going back to 124gr after this box My go to has always been 4gr of TG over 124rn @ 1.135, wanted to see if I was missing anything with 147s I’m just trying to find a safe load to burn through this 1,000 box Just to recap 2.5 did not cycle in m&p 800fps in G17 2.8 did cycle m&p and Glock lock back on last round *have not chroned My next outing will be with 2.7 Quickload shows safe with a max of 3gr Lyman shows 2.5-2.8 @ 1.058 with a max velocity of 943 I think I’m playing safe Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk