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they are not covered by the same warrantee as Dillon.
Lee has a two-year parts warrantee and will often replace out of that window anyway.
Hornady's warantee is the same as Dillon's. Some people in this thread have mentioned that they have had trouble/hassle with Hornady - but I'll say that the few times I have ham-handedly broken something I had good service. The only person I know who was denied warantee was forcing primers in to crimped cases... and blurted it out to Hornady - the instructions specifically forbid this for obvious reasons.
Well, it's been fun responding to this old thread - thanks to all who took the time to read and comment on my review.
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However he doesn't bother to talk about the shell plate retaining spring coming apart (which happens far more that it should)
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also that parts become misaligned easily, especially the pickup from the case feeder.
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Also if you use a power check or lock out die with the press, then you must keep a finger on the case that you have placed a bullet in the case mouth so it will enter the seating die and not fall out of the shell plate.
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Also the case feeder on the LNL is noisey
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and it won't pick up all the cases in the hopper. The last five or six cases it will never feed, the Dillon feeds everything that is in the hopper. A small point but valid.
In order:
Mine pulled apart once, well after I wrote the review... I was over-stretching it.
New one - never experienced or heard of it, but good feedback.
??? I don't understand this one. The retainer spring holds the case in. I load with one hand on the handle, one resting on my lap. No fingers on cases.
Yes, annoyingly so.
Hmmm... mine feeds every case. If it didn't I'd call Hornady and find out why.
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I just feel sorry for the guy! They have such long winters in Canada!
Yes we do. Nothing like a short day, lots of snow and sub-zero temperatures to motivate a lengthy review
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The thing they don't mention with the LnL is that you can't use a full length die in the last station
I mentioned it in the review; it's since been corrected with the EZJect system - use whatever dies you like in pos 5.
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With both Lee presses, I was always correcting something, re-aligning, adjusting and in general dinking with something - usually the powder measure, primer feed or case feeder. With the Dillon, it's "set it and forget it".
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BTW: for what it's worth, I did the math. [...]but whoever told him that he had reloaded that many rounds on a Lee has credibility issues.
1) Exactly my experience. I used measured language in the review but the LM is a fussy SOB.
2) you're right. The person who told me about his round counts has since been proven to have a serious problem with veracity. So I changed the language in the review - and I do know some more-reliable people who have very high round counts.
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I don't know how he can be so glowing about the LM. What a pile of crap compared to the others.
Then even after he compares the 650 to the LnL and the LnL has issues he choices the LnL for his bench. Made me wonder if he was crazy. Why pick a product that doesn't work 100%.
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1) It isn't a pile of crap. It's a bargain loader that is comparatively fussy to use. Each to their own.
2) The 650 had issues to, as you'll note from the review. Haven't tested positive for crazy just yet. If I was going with a single, or few, calibres and did almost all production and not much development, the 650 would have looked better.
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LnL indexes twice as often so ejection can be finicky.
It also indexes via pawls that sometimes go out of adjustment depending on the press, not a big deal
The LnL doesn't come with a rod to weigh down primers.
The primer punch on the Dillon contacts a steel insert in the frame. The LnL punch contacts the frame itself and can wear a dimple in the aluminum. The fix is simple but it has caused owners some grief.
The LnL bushing vs. toolhead thing is a joke right?
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1) corrected for the last year or so the the EZJect system.
2) not on my press, haven't touched the pawls since initial setup. "many" thousands of rounds. I keep them greased - perhaps that's the difference.
3) it does now
4) I hear you - eventually my "dimple" will be deep enough to cause a problem. Then I'll call hornady and see what they come up with.
5) nope. The bushings are faster, cheaper, easier to store and more flexible during load development (just pop in the die(s) you need).
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This guy seems a little biased toward the LnL, and right up front he seems to have a gripe with Dillon.
Hi all. Just spotted this (old) thread and thought I'd comment.
On this one, I have no gripe with Dillon - everything they make is great. I currently use a 1200B trimmer and am looking forward to an RF100. I do have a gripe with Dillonophiles for the reasons noted in the footnote on the first page.
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My main gripe with his evaluation is that it underplays the number of problems you can have with the Loadmaster and the wasted time fixing them [...] the automation components of both the Pro and Loadmaster, while ingenious, were also a bit quirky.
Fair enough - by the time I tried the 650, I may have become somewhat numb to the Loadmaster issues. The phrase "Lee has more stoppages than the other presses", and the footnotes on that page, alludes to the hassle factor while remaining neutral in tone. At least, that was my intent.
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First thing to note is on the first page he modified the Lee.
I didn't modify it, I made it work like it was supposed to (I assume you're talking about cleaning up the primer feed mechanism, removing flash and so on) - unless you mean the .40 slider for the case feeder?
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I've put a KISS bulletfeeder on a Hornady LNL AP - writeup here, includes some pics.
Video here (about 18MB) - it's mostly just an LNL AP video, but there is a segment showing the bullet collator quite clearly, and a pic of the thing mounted on the press - turned out to be quite tidy. If you don't want to download an 18MB file,
The thing is flawless in operation. My press mount is wobbly - the whole thing shakes like Elvis doing his thing - and still every bullet goes down the tube the right way. And the customer service from KISS was great.
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Really, I was just curious if it was just me or if the charge bar was a boner.
The adjustable works well with fine ball powders at light charges, so you can either switch to a ball powder or use the disks as you mentioned - which have the advantage of being easy to reset to a specific charge (no vernier to misread). Also, for really light charges Lee makes the 'micro disk', part number 90302.
I had problems with Universal Clays at light loads - a flake powder.
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To add my .02, I use a 1/8 wooden dowel with a nut taped to the end. With the dowel trimmed right, I can tell when there's only one primer left, use it up and dump another 100 in. And yeah, the wood is lighter than the Dillon plastic rod (I had one of those earlier).
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As others have mentioned, I jettisoned the plastic adaptor and just hold the tube in place - no more jams. And getting the primers to go in the right way involves some finesse in the angle you hold the unit. Typically, too much of a tilt, while it moves the primers quickly, will turn some sideways.
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Which reminds me of my only complaint. The battery charger doesn't tell you when the unit is fully charged. Small complaint.
When the battery pack starts to get warm, it's charged.
Have you guys read this comparison of Hornady LnL AP to Dillon?
in Dillon Precision Reloading Equipment
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While I disagree with your characterization, to answer your question: I used measured language because I did not want to be at the wrong end of a lawsuit. And because phrases like "this press is a piece of sh**" aren't informative, aren't my style, and may not be accurate for some users - mine did put out lots of good ammo for a long time, it was just a pain to work on with the various stoppages. The stoppages don't make the LM a POS, they lower the throughput and add to the user's frustration - but how much frustration gets added is different for every user. Google the phrase "gumption trap" to get an idea why some people will toss the press through a window and others will just work through the stoppages without skipping a beat. If you are a through-the-window personality, then the LM is definitely not for you.
Based on feedback, lots of people read the review and get a 650; lots read and get a LNL AP; very few read and get a LM - but some do.