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3 hours ago, Johnny_Chimpo said:
8.2.2 can't happen until the make ready command is given. That confirms why I think the way I do.
Thanks
Don’t read something into the rules that is not written
it leads to inconsistent application of the rules because not everyone thinks like you.
and yes the competitor can get themselves ready before the make ready.
Make ready does not say anything about mags. Period. The fact you want it does not change the words.
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On 6/24/2022 at 5:58 PM, Johnny_Chimpo said:
Yes it's Ok to disagree. It's helpful to articulate the reason for one's position. It helps the other person understand.
I gave my reasoning why I consider staging magazines a part of making the firearm ready for use. I see it as no different than a shooter re-arranging the magazines on his belt.
Interested in the reasons why you don't.
Yes 8.3.1 specifically talks to 3 items. Eye protection, ear protection and making the firearm ready as defined in the WSB.
as we have been reminded several times by USPSA don’t read things into a rule to fit your opinion if it is not written in the rule.
as far as the competitor being ready review 8.2.2
8.2.2
The competitor assumes the
Start position as specified in the written
stage briefing.
if the requirement to place mags on the stage was written in the WSB in the “start position “
therefore placing mags on a stage if in the WSB start position then 8.2.2 addresses placing mags not the “make ready” cmd
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2 hours ago, Johnny_Chimpo said:
I do. 8.3.1 includes the phrase "prepare the firearm in accordance with the written stage briefing". if the written stage briefing says that reloads must be placed on certain objects around the course of fire, then placing magazines there is part of "preparing the firearm in accordance with the WSB".
Magazines are an integral part of the firearm.
8.3.1.1 has a provision for the RO to allow the competitor to move after make ready. For those situations where a competitor realized they forgot something in their range bag or forgot to stage mags.
I don’t agree with you assertion of what make ready is based on the way it is written in 8.3.1.
And That is okay
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25 minutes ago, Bdh821 said:
a clean gun is a reliable gun... I take the gas piston/plug out every 1500ish rounds. Wipe down BCG every 500ish. I dont recommend painted bullets. I recommend using Alliant Sport Pistol powder with 115s or 124s around 140pf. Make sure you clean the expansion chamber on the gas plug. Clean the side ports on the gas block clean. and behind the extractor. otherwise the rest is pretty straight forward
Have you ever let cleaning the gas plug/port and piston ring go a little too long? I have and ended up replacing the piston and rings.
if they are really full of carbon I let them soak over night in oven cleaner. It is designed to soften carbon in ovens and won’t damage any parts.
I use a welders tip cleaning wire bent at 90 degrees to get into the gas port.
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14 minutes ago, davebenson said:
Exactly my thoughts/action as well.
I don’t see staging mags as part of 8.3.1 but 8.3.1.1 give us the opportunity to do so after the make ready command. And if the RO clears them or not is really up to the RO and the situation at hand.
while someone could make this practice part of their stage plan I think you’ll agree it may not be the best plan.
but hay everyone solves the puzzle in their own way.
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13 minutes ago, Johnny_Chimpo said:
The shooter asked permission to move away from the start position to complete his make ready actions (ie place his reloads where they need to be) and I gave that permission. He is under the make ready command the entire time from when I say "make ready" to when I ask "are you ready". Whether I accompanied him or not is irrelevant as that is RO's choice and not required by the rules.
Once he returns to the start location, assumes the start position, and becomes motionless, I ask "are you ready" just like the book requires.
If he is confused or asks me what do do next when he returns to the start location, I will simply say that he is still under the make ready command and that he can assume the start position when he is ready.
Exactly my thoughts/action as well.
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37 minutes ago, Johnny_Chimpo said:
I would not necessarily make the shooter unload and show clear (if it is indeed a loaded start) to let him go stage magazines.
If the start position is loaded and holstered, I'd just accompany him to place the magazines once he loads and holsters. No different, IMO, than him running around shooting at things with me nearby.
If the start position is loaded and placed on some surface, I'd then require ULSC, holster, then let him go place magazines on his own.
As you know there no rules governing how the RO handles the situation. My preference is if the barrels are close and maybe 1 or 2, I like you will escort the competitor. If it is a large stage and several barrels I prefer to Unload and let the competitor do as he needs. Then when he returns reissue make ready. I have not had any competitor complaints about unloading to go place mags on the appropriate staging area.
there is always the first time.
so here is an interesting twist. The competitor is under the make ready command, his gun is loaded and in the hostler. They then realize they need to stage mags before you say standby they request to stage mags you approve but don’t unload show clear and you supervise them placing mags. Both of you return to the start position. Do you reissue make ready? They are already under the make ready command from before they requested to stage mags and as the RO you have not stopped them with any appropriate commands.
so what would your next command be?
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2 hours ago, Johnny_Chimpo said:
I can most certainly step away from the start location after the make ready command to go place magazines where they need to be. All I have to do is ask and no RO who isn't a complete tool will say no.
It's RIGHT THERE in the rule that you quoted!
You are correct.
8.3.1
"Make Ready" - This command
signifies the start of "the Course of Fire"
Under the direct supervision of the Range
Officer the competitor must face
downrange, or in a safe direction as
specified by the Range Officer, fit eye and
hearing protection, and prepare the firearm
in accordance with the written stage
briefing. The competitor must then assume
the specified start position. The Range
Officer will not proceed with any further
range commands until the competitor is still
and is in the correct start position.to me the key words are “prepare the firearm in accordance…”
You are correct if the competitor forgot to stage mags and did not realize that prior to make ready the RO may and should allow the competitor to stage their mags. As the RO, If They loaded the gun Prior to realizing they needed to stage mags I have had them unload show clear, holster, range clear and after they placed their mags reissue the make ready command. Did I need to do that, some may say no but better to error on the side of Saftey. And I never had a competitor give me any flack for doing so.
should your stage plan included staging mags after the make ready command?
well it could.
In my opinion, I would not think that to be the best stage plan. However That is what makes this an interesting sport everyone can have a different plan that best suits their style
as the stage RO it would be good to point out during the stage brief that it is permissible to stage your mags prior to coming to the start line.it helps in keeping things moving along if the competitors do so.
You brought up good points making this an interesting discussion
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Are you by chance using an undersized sizing die? Have seen this when I tried undersized dies.
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On 5/30/2022 at 4:17 PM, fireman1776 said:
I finally picked up a chrono but was surprised to see how much variance I had in a ten round test. I’m wondering if my crimp needs adjusted. All rounds passed case gauge.
127 conical brass monkey bullets over 3.6 TG. 1.150 oal. Shot out of a x5 legion.
Mixed range brass can cause this. As a test I took 25 mixed range brass and hand measured the powder and saw about what you have. Add to that the press may not drop exactly to the tenth of a g of powder and there you have it.
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On 6/20/2022 at 3:25 AM, CalvinCDixon said:
I am new to reloading. How many rounds will 1 lb of powder make 9mm?
7000g to a pound. I use 4.7 g of CFE pistol so I can get about 1,489 rounds.
I say about because your press does not always drop exactly the same every time. You can do a lot to tune up your press but you’ll see variations of * - .1 g and over a 1,000 rounds that adds up.
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On 3/22/2021 at 3:27 PM, Dazhi said:
I cannot find any USPSA rules about placing camera/tripod within a stage. I have seen people put camera/tripod downrange. What's the general consensus on do's and don'ts? For example, it should not be within the fault line, should not be directly on the path of shooter movements, etc. I am thinking along the lines of not "modifying the stage" by introducing new elements to the stage from shooter to shooter.
How about clipping a GoPro on top of some walls?
Is this something that requires MD approval?
Depending on where and when it could be considered a modification to a stage. The stage and target must be the same for all competitors. At minimum it should be approved by the RO if it is for just one shooter.
I up after someone finished and had left their camera on a wall. I asked it be removed before I started the stage. It was “make ready” I said we need the camera removed. It was then unload show clear hammer down holster. The camera was removed and we restarted.
No one complained
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On 11/27/2020 at 9:06 AM, Sophie said:
Is it right to get DQed when in slidelock?
We had a stage where 10 rds were fired from inside a car. After those 10 I was in slidelock. I exited the car planning on my reload at the next target position. I was told to stop. RO said that I had swept myself exiting the car. DQed me.
Should the RO DQ you for sweeping yourself it is hard to dispute this call. If you disagree remember video and photos are not allowed as evidence.
your recourse is to ask for a review of the call by the range master. It is at that time you may re-enact your actions plead your case, beg on your knees to see if the RM will overrule the Call. What do you have to lose? A potential reshoot if you don’t.
In all my years as CRO I have only seen a sweeping DQ overturned a couple of times. Those were because the RM determined the RO was not in a good position to clearly see the muzzle of the gun.
sweeping calls after the fact are difficult to dispute.
in your case being at slide lock should have nothing to do with the sweeping DQ.
as an RO if you see someone sweeping their self make your call definitely and positivity. If you as an RO act a little questionable about your call the shooter should always ask for a review by the RM.
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On 2/28/2021 at 7:31 PM, carolina_boy1990 said:
Im just getting into the sport but I have been shooting for about 22 years and I have never had a squib. I was talking to my friend that's a competitive shooter and he mentioned squib loads and gave me a brief description so I researched it a bit. My question is, how can you tell that it was a squib? Can you hear it go off with ear protection in or does it just depend. I know just shooting in the back yard if I was to run into an action not cycling I would take my time and investigate, but in competition training to rack a new round as fast as you can and keep moving seems like its gonna end badly. If there's somewhere on here I would see info like this im sorry. im new to this forum and haven't figured it all out yet.
In most all cases a squib will result in the gun not going into battery. During a USPSA match if you stop the COF for any reason other than loss of eye or ear protection you are not entitled to a reshoot. Your time and score will count. You have 2 minutes on the stage to attempt to resolve a gun malfunction.
If you do have a squib do not attempt to clear it on the stage even if the RO has stopped you. That will result if a disqualification. If there is a squib the RO should ensure the gun is safe to handle and you need to go to the safety area to resolve the issue.
look at the USPSA rule 5.8 Malfunctions competitor equipment to understand how to handle a squib during the COF.
hope this helps.
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When I question the validity of the PF at Chrono if they are using 2 optic chrnos I ask to see their log book of how they measured using the match calibration ammo. If that looks okay validate they used the bullet weight to the tenth. That is 124.9 and not 124. You use the tenths in weight but not bullet speed. Velocity of 1122.7 is 1122.
I have had to correct a couple chrno staffs on this when I noticed several folks not making PF. When recalculated they made PF.
all in all review USPSA rules appendix C2 for how chrno should be managed.
Match Chronograph Daily Verification
Chronograph(s):
17.
Prior to performing any competitor
ammunition testing, the Chrono Officer will
fire three rounds from the supply of the
official match calibration ammunition
through the calibration firearm over the
chronograph(s) and record the average
velocity of the three rounds for each
chronograph in use.
18.
Dual chronograph configurations are
not subject to subsequent daily verification
provided that the differential of the
velocities between the two chronographs
remains reasonably consistent with the
differential of the average velocities
recorded above.if everything is up to speed at chrno then look at your velocity spread. I reload range brass and can see big differences in velocity based on case manufacture even with hand measuring powder.
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I’m in NOCO and with the move I too withdrew from the nationals. 21 hr drive and too costly to fly. I know several others that dropped out as well.
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Hi Dave here. I joined in 2015 but have not been active in the forums.
I live in northern Colorado and have been shooting USPSA for 15 years. I shoot in open, limited, carry optics and PCC. My favorite is PCC.
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For those that think you can walk the stage placing mags to be used during the COF after “make ready” please note.
after the “Make ready” command the competitor may not move from start location.
8.3.1.1
Once the
"Make ready"
command
has been given, the competitor must not
move away from the start location prior to
issuance of the "Start Signal" without the
prior approval, and under the direct
supervision, of the Range Officer. -
This is common practice where loading devices need to come from a barrel.
Not an issue.
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Had same issues a couple of times with the same trigger.
always always was a broken disconnector spring. Last was in the middle of a stage at the PCC nationals.
try taking this apart in a hurry to make the next stage. My fat fingers and that little spring. Luckily my wife was there to help.
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Note there is no barrel length restrictions for PCC in USPSA.
See appendix D for rules on PCC barrel length.
Rules
APPENDIX D8 - Pistol Caliber
Carbine Division
Minimum Barrel
Length None (See special conditions.)Special Conditions:
1.
Short Barreled Rifles (SBR's) are
permitted provided that the competitor is in
full compliance with all state and federal
laws and regulations concerning ownership
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Fixed spelling
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Hi. I shoot an MPX in competition and have over 50k rounds through one.
I tested to find failures due to not cleaning. At about 1,800 rounds I get light primer hits. Clean the firing pin channel in bolt good for another 1,800
during multi day matches I clean the bolt and bolt carrier light oil and good to go.
I remove and cleans the gas port at the 3-4k mark. Any more and I find the rings start to carbon up and it is a pain to free them. I soak parts in oven cleaner.
if the gas plug get too much carbon it can impact timing and could cause jams worse case bent op rods.
there is a new FB group called Sig Sauer MPX discussion.
lots of good technical information shared there
Placing magazines on a barrel before the course of fire
in USPSA/IPSC Rules
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This conversation on personal opinions on a rule beyond what is written is well beyond the original topic
should you like to continue a discussion on personal interpretation of rules beyond what is written lets start another topic.