jhr1986
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Does the rifle currently have a free float handguard?
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You can build out what you want for pretty reasonable if you decide to get another rifle. Scour the classifieds here and you can find some smoking deals. My last AR build was about $800 (W/O optic) and is tricked out nearly as well as my higher end 3G rifles and shoots just as well. I built it out as follows:
Aero Precision upper - Sale $65
Aero lower - Sale $100
Seekins light weight BCG - Used $125
Nordic 18" BBL - New $200
Nordic 15" handguard - Used - $60
JP EZ Trigger - Used $125
milspec carbine stock with milspec buffer (removed a few weights)/spring/tube - used $40
Small upper parts - $25
Lo pro gas block - used - $25 (Nordic barrels do not really need adjustable gas)
Gas tube - $15
Burris MTAC with PEPR mount - Used $325
JM comp - $ 25 used
Total with optic - $1130
Where did you find the nordic barrel for $200? On sale I assume?
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There's no contest. Lancer wins by a mile. Maybe a mile and a 1/2.
Please explain. I'm making this decision currently and would like to hear pros/cons on the options.
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Thanks for the thoughts guys, I've made my choices. Short version: Nordic 18" barrel, AP or Carbon Arms handguard, and XLR buttstock
I'm going with the Nordic barrel - I love accurate guns and I'd rather have better accuracy than needed rather than good enough. Faxon may fit that bill as well but there just aren't as many people out there saying their faxon 18" heavy fluted is sub-moa, and I realize that it most likely due to the number of faxon branded barrels in the 3 gun marketplace as opposed to the nordic. The faxon may be just as good but I'm going with the known quantity. Shout out to Nathan at Faxon though for making himself accessible and answering the questions I threw at him via another forum.
Sticking with the AP handguard (and maybe even the Carbon Arms). Texas heat is a concern when the gun is almost too hot to pick up *before* the stage starts due to baking in the sun, so CF it is. If I decide to run any matches that require lasers/lights etc then those matches won't require long range shooting and therefore would be best suited to running a shorter gun anyway. So if that becomes an issue, I'll build a gun suited to those purposes.
Decided on the XLR buttstock. For one, I'm not fully convinced just by looking at it that the Luth-AR is stout enough for me (maybe it is, I'm not here to bash the product, just my admittedly uneducated opinion). Also the heavier buttstock should help out balance out the heavier barrel.
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This year is going to be my second full year of shooting 3 gun, and I've decided to build a dedicated rifle for matches. All I have right now is the stripped receiver set (aero precision gen ii), but my BCG (JP LMOS) is ordered and on the way. Before I get started with the questions, yes I know none of this will amount to any faster times so I suppose I'm interested in hearing about differences in quality or other advantages that one part may have over the other that isn't readily apparent.
I'm going with an 18" barrel config for tac optics. The rifle I used last season (BCM w/ 16" elw and KMR) weighs in at ~7.5 pounds with my bobro mount and vortex strike eagle. I'd like the gun to be a little heavier, but I'm not trying to build a pig. In other words I'm not looking to build an ultra lightweight rifle, but I don't want unnecessary excess weight either.
I am hung up on three major parts: barrel, handguard and buttstock and I've got it narrowed down to 2 choices within those categories.
Barrels I'm looking at are the Nordic 18" and Faxon Firearms 18" heavy fluted:
Nordic 18", you guys know all about this one so nothing more needs to be said.
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The Faxon is a few ounces lighter and has a gas port sized sized properly for a low mass bcg + fixed gas block (the port is spec'd slightly smaller than Nordic's). I'm not sure what to think about the QPQ treatment on a match barrel, but I've seen plenty of good reviews on their barrels, just not necessarily from 3 gunners who might demand more accuracy than average range shooters. Also has a 5.56 chamber as opposed to Nordic's 223 wylde, the wylde should be more accurate in theory. Price is a wash.
I'll admit, I like accurate rifles and I'm leaning towards the Nordic due to it's proven accuracy track record but I could be swayed. The Faxon may (or may not) be less accurate but would no doubt be "accurate enough" for 3 gun (We do have some 400-600 yard shots at some of the local matches so every bit helps)
Handguards in contention are the SLR solo ultralight M-Lock 16.5" or an AP customs Gen II ultralight Carbon fiber 17"
SLR: http://slrrifleworks.com/index.php?route=product/product&path=66_106_137_71&product_id=440
AP: http://rhinoarms.com/product/gen-ii-ultra-light-series-tactical-carbon-fiber-handguard/
Those two weigh about the same, although I could go lighter with the AP if I dropped the top rail. I like the idea of being able to use offset sights or laser/light for night matches (which I've never been to) but I don't know if it is really necessary or a benefit. I imagine the carbon fiber would be less prone to getting hot which is a concern in TX, especially after a 30-40 round stage in the summer; not sure if the carbon fiber is grippy enough though. At this point the AP is where I'm leaning but the SLR gets good reviews, looks cool and has more options for mounting stuff.
The buttstocks I'm considering are the Luth-AR MBA-3 and the XLR Industries Tactical Buttstock
Luth-AR: http://www.luth-ar.com/product/mba-3-carbine-stock/
XLR: http://www.shoretactical.com/product_info.php/xlr-tactical-butt-stock-p-392
Really not sure which way to jump here. I had been planning on going with the XLR for quite some time until I recently saw the Luth and figured I should check it out. I doubt many here will have much experience with either of these but if you do, please speak up. The Luth-Ar is about 4.5 ounces lighter, but the XLR looks to be built like a brick shithouse which I also like. I would prefer whichever stock does not lose it's adjustment/loosen up with use. The reason I am looking at these two is that I prefer a shorter length of pull than what a rifle length stock can give me, and I need an adjustable comb for a scoped AR, I simply can't get a fast, repeatable cheek weld with a standard stock; when I press my cheek bone into the stock my eye is looking at the bottom of the scope.
Thanks for reading my book.
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Never seen one, doesn't mean they aren't out there though. Shouldn't be hard to do; got a buddy with a machine shop?
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Is there a big difference? Yes.
Will there be a big difference in your scores? Not likely.
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Thanks for the opinions/advice guys. Went ahead and ordered the set.
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Briley sells chokes from good to the absolute best. Yes their high, high dollar chokes will pattern better than the Carlsons, their budget priced chokes would be a toss up.
You bring up a good point. Just so we are comparing apples to apples, the tubes I'm looking at at are the plain jane Briley Crio Plus extended and Carlson's Crio Plus Sporting Clays choke tubes.
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Any thoughts on quality or consistency with these two brands? I've got a 24" M2 on the way and want to get some choke tubes for it. I bought the gun specifically for 3 gun so that is where it will be used 95% of the time; I can get a deal on the Carlson's but will spring the extra $$ for Brileys if there is a real difference in performance.
Thinking SK, LM and IM if anyone cares or has thoughts on that as well.
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Loaded some to 1.1 w/ TG, not accurate enough in my gun.
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Mike, a few months ago I played around with this load at 1.145 because testing showed it to be as accurate as my 1.115 load. When I went to matches, I had a number of malfunctions (6-10 in that batch of 400 rounds) and suspected it was the longer oal since that was the only thing I changed. I have since gone back to my 1.115 standard and no more issues.
Of course now I'm testing some 124s because they group a little better out of my factory barrel. I don't like the recoil impulse as well as the 147s but like the groups I get. Can't leave well enough alone.
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Bladetech, wrs if you want retention for 3gun
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For me, the JPs need a rebuild between 10-12k. Have a CMC that is trucking along with over 50k, no maintenance. Longevity and durability are part of the equation.
What needs to be "rebuilt" or replaced in the JP triggers? What has been the mode of failure in your experience?
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I'd be surprised if one person here could tell you the difference without googling between to the 2 sight radiuses at 25 with a 1/32 deviation in any direction from perfect visually/mechanical center.
I certainly can't, but I am interested to know. What would be the difference on target, mathematically?
edit: I'm not a math whiz but I gave it a whirl. Hopefully someone will check my work. What I came up with is that on a g17 with sight radius = 6.49", a deviation of 1/32" = a 4.334" deviation on target at 25 yards. On a g34 with sight radius = 7.55", a deviation of 1/32" = a 3.725" deviation on the target at 25 yards. So a difference of ~0.6".
Would not be surprised if I'm off there, haven't done any trig for 13 years.
I shoot a g34 in USPSA/3 gun. I find that the greater the sight radius, the easier it is for my eyes to focus on the front sight (as opposed to the rear sight).
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Mark, whose Ti pin do you use?
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Nvm. I can't read apparently.
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If I remember correctly, zev refers to their striker springs by the approximate trigger poundage that each spring produces. So a Zev 2lb spring is a 4lb striker spring the use of which produces a ~2lb trigger, and Zev 3 and 4lb should equal the wolff 4.5 and 5lb springs
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That samson mount looks pretty stout, any idea on the weight? Also, what charging handle is that in the pic?
Had my SE out today at the range doing some practice drills and some bench shooting at 200 yards. Still loving it, can't beat it at it's price point. Finally got my mom out to shoot the 15-22 as well so great day all around.
Good luck at Gen III gun!
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The DD rifle is not likely to be as accurate as the JPs, but it shouldn't be that bad. Start with the easy stuff, ammo, scope mount/rings, barrel touching the rest while firing.
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Vortex has discontinued the rebranded ADM mounts. (Not that that isn't what roadie is using). They are going with rebranded bobro mounts now.
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WooHoo!I just got off the phone with a rep at Optics Planet. They have 300 units inbound with an ETA of 9/5/15. I ordered 7/15/15 and she said I would definitely get one of those units.
I wish I would have ordered 3 more.
What are yall using for mounts on this budget priced optic?
Aero precision
Was planning on getting the aero spr mount but they were out of stock for months; Strike Eagle arrived, aero was still OOS so I picked up a bobro. Then the Aero came back in stock
No complaints about the bobro though
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Bobro lol
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Getting to 1500 is much different than shooting there regularly. 300wm will get you to 1500, just like 308win will get you to 1000. If I were shooting regularly @1000, I'd be shooting a 300 or 7 mag minimum. 1500 yards regularly, I wouldn't go any smaller than the 338LM or norma mag, better yet one of the cheytacs or barretts. Anything less would be an exercise in frustration.
Again, I'm not saying you can't get there with less than that but shooting at or around a mile is no joke.
Recommend A Cheep 15"handguard
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