[18 vs 16 vs 14.5 JP-15]

On 5/5/2017 at 5:31 PM, pjb45 said:

Glad to hear about your experience with JP.  I did not mention I have 1 of 10 of their 10 Anniversary RM3G rifles. 

 

My two 223 all print less than 1/2 MOA.  My PCC does one hole at pistol distances.  I get extreme accuracy and reliability in the same package.

Which length .223 JP's do you like to run pjb45? 

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13 hours ago, copecowboy22 said:

If you like to tinker or play with things, stay away from the pinned 14.5. Changing out comps is a PITA on 14.5" barrels. I run an 18" on everything because I like one setup and don't practice enough to switch between two. Most of the club and major matches I shoot at go out to 600 yards. I've got a Larue 18" thats sub MOA and works great for me.

 

This was where my apprehension came from on the 14.5 setup.  I mean, who doesn't want to be able to change that one day with out taking it to a gunsmith. The shoot I did, we only shot one stage between 125-600.  

 

 

3 hours ago, blacklab said:

Barrel length does not necessarily correlate with weight. You can have an AR15 built with any barrel thickness from a 1" bull barrel to a 0.625" pencil barrel, or even thinner in some cases. There are also variable profile barrels (e.g. fluted, government profile etc.). For a light-weight build I like the Faxon Gunner barrels. Most barrels are available in a variety of lengths.

 

Absolutely, I should of been more clear, the JP-15 "Ready Rifle" is the one I am considering in the lengths mentioned, and they all come with their "Light Contour" barrel configuration.  

 

3 hours ago, blacklab said:

You don't say what distances you expect to shoot, but - as you seem to want one rifle to do everything - I will assume your matches will be a mixture of <100 yard bay stages and 100-600 yard long-range stages. In such a case, you want enough barrel to get decent velocity (to shoot flat and knock down steel targets). I would NOT go shorter than 16" as velocity of .223 ammo really drops off below that length. I hear good things about the Stretch 16 barrel with intermediate gas as a soft-shooting short barrel.

 

 

I wish I knew what distances in the future I would be shooting.  If anyone in the South East Region, or Florida/Georgia area might chime in, then maybe I would get a better understanding of the distances I would be needing the rifle exclusively for.  There is a Barrel UM Tactical is bringing out that might be changing things in the future. It's called R.A.G.E. INTEGRATED BARRELS.  I had a chance to shoot one and the integrated break with adjustable bushings/baffles was really nice and worked excellently.  I have heard some great things about the Stretch 16 barrels, and they seem to be working great for a couple of shooters I follow.

 

3 hours ago, blacklab said:

Overall rifle weight will be affected by other factors too. Handguards can vary tremendously in weight, so choose a light one. The other component impacting overall weight is the optic - glass is heavy, so if you can live with less magnification and a smaller tube you will save a lot of weight. Resist the temptation to hang other crap off your rifle as the weight of this (often dead) weight can add up quickly.

 

I was going to run just the handguard with no attachments, and like Al503 stated above, if need be switch, to a carbon fiber one.  A for the glass I think for the time being I will go with a the lighter Vortex 1-6 that runs I think about 16  ounces vs the nicer Viper which runs almost 25.2 Ounces. 

 

3 hours ago, blacklab said:

How heavy the rifle feels can also be impacted by balance - a heavy stock (e.g. Magpul UBR) will make the front of the rifle feel lighter even if it is not.

 

If you want to buy a JP factory rifle, then you should call them and discuss your concerns. They also have a rifle builder app on their website that you could look at.

 

Indeed, when I fit people for shotgun's and they do not have the ability to swing the longer barrels since they aren't use to the gun. I add weight in the stock and it make the barrels more "whippy" then.  

 

I actually got through to JP Enterprises today. It did take a little time, but they were most helpful today.  I have built some rifles with it but for some reason the overall weight wasn't showing up. 

 

3 hours ago, pjb45 said:

 

Just brought a JP PCC about a month ago.  It is my second full JP.  My third AR has JP everything but the upper and lower.

 

Could not be happier with JP products!  They were great.  Sometimes it is hard getting them on the phone.  Keep trying.

 

That is what every one else has been saying about JP!  And you were correct a bit tough to get them on the phone, but they made up for that in the time they took with me today. 

 

[18 vs 16 vs 14.5 JP-15]

6 hours ago, al503 said:

"I have 2 18" light contour bbl JP-15's.  While they're expensive, they're definitely worth it and you won't regret it.  They weigh 6.9 lbs (bathroom scale) without an optic.  Forego the thermal dissipator and the rapid configuration hand guard is a titch lighter than the MK III.  JP has a titanium comp that wasn't available when I bought mine.  That should save an oz or two where it'll make the most difference in transitions.  You can always swap in a CF hand guard to lighten it up.  The 15.5" RC is about 14 oz.  I have a 15" CF that weighs around 6 oz.  8 oz in front of the receiver should be noticeable.  Hope that helps."

 

 

Apologize the ignorance, but the 18" light contour, is this the standard JP-15 setup in 18" .   Thank you for the weight numbers as this helps alot.  Also, are you stating that the 6.9 lbs is with the Thermal Dissipator and Rapid configuration installed?   Appreciate the help, and the comment about that I won't regret it, seems to be the general consensus. 

 

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I Appreciate the reply.  I believe I am in agreeance with you.  That is what I really think is the major draw back of the 18"  and might be its Achilles heel for me. As I know that a heavy rifle or shotgun can not work for some people, and I am one of those people.  That's why I was curious of actually weight numbers for the JP rifles.  I would hate to spend the money and not like it and have to resell it to buy a different length rifle.  I haven't seen any in my area, or it might be an easier decision. I thought 16" would be the way to go, but the shops I spoke with stated, they liked there 14.5 pinned better then the 16", as it was quicker for transitioning.

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Hello, long time lurker, first time caller.

 

After coming from competing in a Sporting Clays background, A friend asked me to shoot with him at our first 3 gun competition, in Altair Florida. Side note Altair, was a doozey but I fell in love with the sport.  I borrowed all sorts of equipment, and now its time to buy a rifle.  After seeing most people state, you can't beat a JP out of the Box, and most of our friends, buying a certain rifle then putting JP parts in it. I feel that this is the way I want to go.

 

I am no where near a shop that carries these fine products, so I have done as much research as I can, searched on here and scoured Google, Youtube, other forums, etc.  Most of the info for 3 gun rifles is from several years ago. Or about building a new 3 gun rifle.  SO I figured I would ask you guys, your thoughts and opinions.  This will be my first AR, so might as well do it right eh?

 

I spoke with two Distributer's out of state, and still awaiting a call back from JP Enterprises on the matter.    I am looking at a JP-15.

The General consensus from the two distributer's is for Bay stages go with the 14.5 pinned, over the 16". And for anything 50 to 200 yard double taps are way more manageable with the 18"  I do have to admit I am a bit nervous about the weight of a 18"  And have been trying to find the weight of the JP-15 in all of the sizes mentioned above.  I would like the rifle to be used for my wife and I, If I can convince her to make the shift as well. That is why I was told about the 14.5"  But the woman distributor spoke about even her want for a 18" as she likes her 14.5 pinned, but like the flatness that the 18" shot with.  The reason I am speaking of weight as well, is that after breaking my back and neck, the weight of my 9lb CG shotgun affects my back after a tournament of 100 clays.  But if the felt recoil is less, on the 18" then it might be better then going with a 14.5 pinned.   We shoot in Florida, and if I had more experience with the shoot's around here, maybe this would be an easier decision?

Overall, if anyone has the weight numbers from a site I couldn't find, or their own rifles, that would be great, and also if anyone has the would of, should of, could of's about their first rifle purchase, I would like to learn from you.  I like to "buy once, cry once".   I appreciate it, Thanks again.