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18 hours ago, DNickel said:
Do you have a round count or projected round count? Can we shoot OO buck? Do you need OO buck?
There will be no buck shot. Estimated round count will be 250 pistol, 250 rifle, and 120 bird shot for the individual match. The team match will need about that same amount more, but for the entire team.
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There are no updates as of now. It is still on September 23-25, 2016. We will finish and have award ceremony early (1/2 day of shooting) on Sunday to give everyone travelling home time. This year is still planned for pistol, rifle, and shotgun with two different divisions; Patrol (duty guns and equipment only) and Practical (basically Tac-Ops or Tactical, no Open/Unlimited guns). This match is the week after the 3GN Western Regional Championship so the shooting areas will be similar but completely different targets and placement.
We will look forward to your team coming! The Individual match will be fun, but it is the Team match that I am most excited for!
Let me know if you have any other questions.
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The fps from my 9mm Tactical wouldn't fit very easily into the Brazos extractor fps channel, it would bind up on the top portion. This would make the Brazos extractor clock as it was pushed into place. The fps from my Sti Tactical in .40 would fit the Brazos extractor without binding. I swapped the 40 and 9 fps fps. They both went in smooth and didn't bind up. I had to add some bend into the Brazos extractor, it didn't have enough bite on the brass rim. I did a test fire of over 100 round (shooting strong hand, weak hand, and even some intentional limp wrist) and didn't have any malfunctions. I ran some duty rounds through it and it also ran flawless. I believe the problem is solved! Thank you all for the help and input!
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Did you check to see if the extractor is clocking? When you replaced the extractor did you install a FPS or did you reuse the old one?
That is a possibility, the extractor didn't look perfectly flush as it normally does on the rear of the gun. I reused the old FPS. I will reinstall the extractor and see if it will sit more square/flush. How often do you replace the FPS?
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In the picture, it looks like there's damage to the case rim caused by the extractor. Were you able to easily remove the case from the chamber? Ejector in good shape?
I'd go with an Aftec extractor since it's a 9mm.
There is always a mark where the extractor partially pulled the brass out of the chamber and slide off. I bought a Aftec and see if that will fix the problem. The fired brass was easily removed from the chamber either by hand or racking the gun again with the magazine removed. The ejector looks un-damaged (I think), I'll take a picture of it.
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How are your loaded rounds in regards to passing in the case gauge or the plunk test in the barrel? If your loaded rounds are bulged, it could be putting extra pressure to extract them, and the extractor is pulling past the rim.
If you loaded rounds check out, the other thing is maybe the extractor tunnel is oversized. And the extractor has too much play to keep hold of the empty cartridge.
The fact that a new Brazos tuned extractor gave the same results, suggests it's not specifically an extractor problem. Either oversized ammo, or an oversized extractor tunnel.
All of my loads are case gauged and I don't case gauge factory ammo. Neither of the ammo has had any problems in other guns. That is a good idea about the oversized extractor tunnel, I didn't consider that. I sure hope that isn't the problem. I just ordered an Aftec extractor to see if that fixes the problem. It might just be that the extractors are better tuned for .40 or something. I called STI today and left a message, no one called me back yet. I need it fixed so I can get this Glock off my hip...
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I just ordered a Weigand 1911 extractor adjusting tool and plan on calling STI tomorrow. I have several 2011's so I better plan on learning to tune my extractors. I have never had a problem with any of my Limited guns before.
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I have a STI Tactical 2011 5" in 9mm. It has run like a champ since I bought it. It is my duty weapon and I use it for steel/multigun matches. The gun has about 3k rounds through it. It began double feeding a couple hundred rounds ago (about one week). This double feed is where the fired brass will get partially extracted (about 1/2 cm) out of the barrel and the next round in the mag will push up against the un-extracted brass (pushing up against it more than driving it in). This happens with MBX and STI mags. This happened with a 9lbs and 11lbs recoil spring. In the beginning it would do this malfunction about every 50 rounds or so. Now it does it about every fifth round or more. This happens with factory new and reloaded ammo. I replaced the extractor with a Brazos tuned extractor and the problem still occurs. Help! Attached are some pictures of what the malfunction looks like.
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I almost forgot. The question was raised about retirees. Yep. Please come. I'm one myself and I'd feel awfully lonely being the only old dog amongst all those puppies. I need some of you to come out and shoot with me so we can prove we can still run with the pack.
Eric is not joking, he will give you young bucks a run for your money! Thanks for the post, Eric!
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Any update on the rules? Gear wise, mainly for Patrol division, (semi or pump shotguns) we use semi auto Benelli's, optics (magnified or non-magnified) etc....
thanks
The rules will be basically identical to the UPOA Multigun Championship. I can email you the ruleset if you are interested. Just send me a pm with your email. Patrol Division will be like Donny Brooks stated; pump shotgun and must be loaded from a side saddle/butt cuff. Shotgun can only start with 5+1 and no stage will require more than 12 shells (6 in the gun and 6 on the saddle). One aiming optic per rifle (scope, red dot, or red dot/magnifier combo are acceptable). You must use a retention holster and belt used for duty (SWAT rigs are accepted). Pistol must be on the USPSA production legal list, but doesn't need to conform with Production rules. No magwells or extended base pads on pistol. The intent is for the Patrol Division participants will compete with exactly the same gear they use for duty/patrol. Practical Divison is competition gear and guns. It is basically identical to 3gn Practical or USPSA Tactical. The only difference is the Practical shotgun must start with 5+1, to keep the stages layout reasonable with Patrol Divison.
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Here is the flyer for the match.
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Is this match open to retired LEO's, or just active duty?
It is open to retired or active LEO.
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There should be a decent amount of pro LEO shooters there. I know Greg Severson, Craig Outzen, Keith Garcia, Nick Atkinson, Greg Jordan, and J.J. Racaza have expressed interest in attending. The DoubleTap Ammunition Law Enforcement Team will be there to give you a run for your money!
It is Beau Mason, Rob Wilkenson, Devin Lauritzen, and I. All of the team members have to be the same division or they are bumped to the highest division. Example: 4 Patrol shooters= Patrol 4 Practical shooters= Practical 3 Patrol and 1 Practical shooters= Practical
Teams are 3-5 member teams. There will be awards for teams with all of the members of the same agency and awards for mixed teams (my agency is too small to have a team so I shoot with the DoubleTap team).
P.S. It was great seeing you at the Utah Peace Officer Association Multigun Championship! Great job on the finish!
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Here is the website for this match. There are links to register for the individual and team match. https://magazine.tacticalperformancecenter.com/2016/01/08/tpcleomultigun/
The price for the individual match is $100 per shooter. The price for the team match is $100 per team (3-5 man teams). I will be at Shot Show in Las Vegas next week. Let me know if you are going to be there and I will meet up, give you some flyers, and get you more details about the match.
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Will you post the link to the rules or is there a website?
There are still a couple items in the rules that need to be ironed out regarding gear. The debate is actually duty gear (possible STI Tactical 2011s and semi-auto shotguns) vs. a level playing field (pump shotguns only) for Patrol Division. Send me an IM with your email and I'll get you the ruleset when they are finalized. I have the rules complete now but there might be a couple of small changes to gear.
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Are you using NRA TPC rules?
That is a good question. It will NOT be using Tactical Police Competition rules. The safety rules are about the same as TPC, USPSA, and 3GN. The scoring is more like 3GN, one A/B zone or two anywhere on target neutralizes. TPC rules feel very "IDPAish" and overly restrictive. There will be no scenario based or blind stages; it is purely speed, accuracy, and weapon manipulation. The Patrol Division in the LEO MG Nationals is very similar to TPC Patrol Division. This Practical Division is more similar to the Practical Division in 3GN.
The "TPC" in the title represents the Tactical Performance Center, which is a training facility at the Southern Utah Practical Shooting Range. Tactical Performance Center is the Title Sponsor for the match. I apologize for the confusion.
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Why a match for LEO only when LEO are in every match I attend? Not complaining, just asking -Why?
That is a great question. The answer is quite complex. I would expect most major and local shooting competitions contain a number of LEO competitors. I would also venture to say this number is less than 5% of the total shooters. It is difficult to explain to a competition shooter why LEO don't shoot more competitions, it is only logical for us. Unfortunately, the answer appears to be pride. It is very difficult to place LEO in an arena where they are expected to be the best, yet it is rarely the case.
I have spent the last 5 years in an attempt to get more LEO competing. I have found the majority are more likely to compete when they are going against other LEO. I am the match director of the Utah Peace Officer Association Multigun Championship. I began this match in 2014 with an attendance of 60 LEO shooters. This number went to 80 in 2015 and is currently at 115 for 2016. I wouldn't not have been able to get 1/4 of these numbers if the match wasn't restrict to LEO only. There is a majority of these officers that will now compete in other non-LEO matches, they just needed to get a taste (addicted). The intent of the LEO Multigun National Championship is to increase the attendance of LEO in firearms competition, provide a scale in which to determine the best LEO shooters/teams in the country, and grant visibility to sponsors that are in the LE market.
We usually run the LEO Multigun matches soon after for non-LEO. The stages are already set up. The only difference is we allow all divisions; Unlimited, Practical, Heavy, and Factory).
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3-5 man teams.
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It will be 9 stages for the individual match. There will be a team match that runs concurrently and it will be 3-5 more stages (some tag team and some melee style). Sunday will be a shorter shooting day to incorporate awards and prize table. There will be numerous LEO vendor and dealers present for the entire match. I will have a lot more information by Shot Show. Patrol Division will be for those shooting duty or swat equipment only. Practical Division will be for competition guns and belts or anything not specifically carried in LEO duties. It is similar to Practical, TacOps, or Limited in USPSA or 3GN. Open/Unlimited gear is not allowed (no comps or optics on pistol or shotguns, etc). I can get you the entire ruleset when it is finalized. The match will be built for reasonable engagement distances for LEO. Rifle will likely be less than 200 yards, shotgun doable for a smooth bore SBS, and pistol 3-25 yards. It will be held at the Southern Utah Practical Shooting Range, the same range as the 2015 & 2106 3GN Western Regional Championship, 2014 USPSA Nationals, Hard as Hell Multigun, Southwest Multigun Championship, and numerous other major handgun and multigun matches. The range is about 10 minutes away from St. George, UT and about 1.5 hours North of Las Vegas.
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Here is the latest.
The registration is open for the LAW ENFORCEMENT MULTIGUN NATIONAL CHAMPIONSHIP, brought to you by the Tactical Performance Center at the Southern Utah Practical Shooting Range. It will be held on September 23-25, 2016. It is open to all Law Enforcement Officers (Federal, State, County, City, Military, Jails, and Prisons). There will be two divisions; Practical and Patrol. Armalite is the Division Sponsor for Practical and DoubleTap Ammunition is the Division Sponsor for Patrol. The cost is $100.
Individual match registration link:
https://practiscore.com/tpc-law-enforcement-multigun-national-championship/register
TPC Law Enforcement Multigun National ChampionshipMultigun National Championship for Law Enforcement Officers.Team match registration link: (This portion of the match hasn't been officially announced yet but the link is up.)
https://practiscore.com/tpc-law-enforcement-team-multigun-championship/register
TPC Law Enforcement Team Multigun ChampionshipThis is the Team Match that runs concurrently with the TPC Law Enforcement Multigun National Championship. -
I would like to see the patrolman division require the use of actual patrol/enforcement gear. Should require officer to have cuffs, and less-lethal on person, essentially as if you were going 10-8. I think allowing a rifle mag pouch to be added is okay, and necessary.
Pistol: whatever is allowed by your department policy. (if someone wants to get crazy, have them produce policy were it says they can carry the laser sighted pistol carbine as a duty handgun).
Rifle: I would again allow what is common for duty: 1x optics or Irons, no magnification. Maybe allow patrol to exchange a pistol caliber carbine or rifle caliber carbine based on the stage (some may have MP5's for CQB and rifle for other things.)
Shotgun: Stick to pump only shotguns. Even if the department allows semi-autos, I am sure they have a pump somewhere in their armory. Shotgun reloads should come from sidesaddle or individual loops, no dual/quad loads or caddies.
You could get really sadistic and require patrolman to wear body armor while shooting....
I like those ideas. Here is my take on a couple of them:
Belt: I think duty belt is a must. I hesitate letting officers add a rifle mag to the belt though. If they have one on all the time they can run it, I just don't want them changing how they run in a match verses duty (at least in Patrolman). I hope officer are grabbing an extra mag when deploying their rifle from their cruiser, even if it is just going into a cargo pocket. Most stages (probably all) won't require a mandatory mag change on rifle and the rifle shots aren't so difficult that you would expect to expend too many rounds on one target.
Handgun: I don't care if you run a glock or SVI as long as you carry it on duty everyday. It's a good way to prove a point that a better gun is just that. It better be in a retention holster too. Sorry no optics or comps here.
Rifle: I don't care what you run for the most part as long as you carry it in your cruiser everyday and would deploy with it if sh&* hit the fan. I know a lot of agencies that run 1x3 or 1x4 scopes so I don't want to restrict magnification. Besides most long range shots are possible for iron sights so 4x doesn't benefit you that much. I also want it to be apparent that better optics make better shooters. I do want to restrict multiple optics, as you would see in Open or Unlimited class. I have to draw the line somewhere.
Shotguns: I think you are spot on for shotgun rules. Dept issue pump shotgun. Loaded it off of the side saddle or butt cuff, just like you would on duty.
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I have been to this match 2 out of the last 3 years. It is professionally run and has really great courses of fire.
I am really excited for the National Match. It is something that has been lacking from the LEO scene. I think it will be big. Definitely as good as any of the big matches out there.
We are looking forward to having you back again this year! The UPOA match is completely full now which is fantastic! It is a rare feat to get this many officers wanting to shoot together and compete. I will keep you in the loop on the LEO Nationals Match. I am sure will will have plenty of new info for you at the UPOA match.
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I am still working on the finalization of patrolman division rule set. Is there anything you would like to see or not see in the patrolman division?
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The Utah Peace Officers Association (UPOA) is hosting the 3rd annual Multigun Championship on February 17th, 2016 at the Southern Utah Practical Shooting Range (same range as last years USPSA Handgun Nationals) in St. George, UT. This match is limited to Law Enforcement; active, retired, federal, state, local, military police, and jail/prison. There is a non LEO match held on the following Saturday, February 20th. The match fee is $30 and it includes a shirt. Last year there was over 20 sponsors for the match. There was over $8k in product on the prize table including 4 guns and a suppressor. The match is limited to 100 competitors per day, the LEO match only has 4 slots left at this time. The non-LEO match has quite a few slots left.
There will be a Law Enforcement Multigun National Championship in Fall 2016 at this same range. Expect 250-300 LEO shooters from across the country and an epic prize table. Send me a message if you are interested or have any questions.
Jeremy Dunn aka "Jeremy Law" on Facebook
Here are the links to register for the UPOA Multigun:
https://practiscore.com/2016-upoa-multigun-championship/register
https://practiscore.com/2016-upoa-multigun-championship-civilian/register
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The Crystallume does a TiCN finish that is copper colored. Just call them and speak with Nick Molnar and say Jeremy sent you.