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2018 Ohio North Section Championship
Battle for the North Coast presented by Champion Precision Firearms
September 14-16, 2018
held at Crooked Creek Pistol League, 4323 State Route 534, Hartsgrove, OH 44085
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I found another solution. Smart Time Sync worked on my older model Nook Simple Touch.
So I now have all of my Nook's synced.
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Have you connected them to a wi-fi router that has internet connection?
Most of the time they will update from the internet connection.
Some will not and have to use a clock sync app.
Yes, I have them on the home router and none will update the time.
I left one on for two days and it is still running fast.
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Clocksync won't work on my Nook Simple Touch (BNRV300). I used Root'n'ScoreIt last summer to root my Nooks.
I get this message:
Unfortunately, ClockSync can't navigate you to the system Date & time settings because your Android version (1.5) doesn't support this API. Please open the launcher home screen, press the Menu button, Settings, Date & time.
Settings: Date & Time doesn't help either.
Anything else that might help me to set the time?
Bud
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BTW at the bottom of the sync screen there is an option to download latest version. Not sure how long it has been there but I used it today for the first time. To remove a match tap the Three "blocks" on the match list and select delete from the pop up window.
Does that work in the Android version?
I am up to date, so when I tap the update app, nothing happens, which might be the correct behavior.
But, it would be great if that works, as I can't find the APK on Practiscore.com anymore.
Bud
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I have Practiscore 1.2.30 on all of the club Nooks. One Nook is running 10 minutes fast this month. I discovered that when I tried to sync with my tablet and got an error message to the effect of "time not the same".
Has anyone else seen this?
I have tried to reset the time on this Nook but have been unable to do so.
Bud Connolly
Crooked Creek Pistol League OH12
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Does anyone here know the magazine length rules for IPSC Standard division? I read the rules and I am unclear as to the base pad extension. 140 or No Base Pad extensions at all? I have shoot USPSA, but I will be traveling abroad and I maybe able to get to a IPSC match. However, I do not know anyone who shoots IPSC. Any help with this is greatly appreciated. Thank you.
Willie,
There is no magazine length restriction in Standard. However, the gun, with a magazine inserted must fit within a box which has internal dimensions of 225 mm x 150 mm x 45 mm. Note that all magazines must comply.
And Standard has the same holster and mag pouch position restrictions as Production does here (behind the hip bone as viewed from the side).
Bud
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Thanks for all of the responses.
Since I used Root'n'ScoreIt, I had to use DropBox to upgrade Practiscore to the latest version.
I guess that's why it was on the tablet. :^)
Bud
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I have Practiscore 1.2.18 installed on several Nook Simple Touch's. Practiscore is up to version 1.2.24 while Root'n'ScoreIt is still at 1.2.18.
How do I update the Nook using the Practiscore APK?
I'm not an Android guru!
Bud
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Actually, you need to place 8 rounds in the baggie provided along with a sticker with the backing still on. If they follow standard procedure.
However, the Chrono Officer can ask for 8 rounds from the magazines on your belt when you come to chrono as well. He does not have to use the 8 rounds you supplied on the first stage. Chrono guys just hate it when you grab ammo from a box marked "DANGER CHRONO ONLY!!!".
See Appendix C2 in the current rulebook for a complete desription of the chrono procedure, but here is the pertinent part for you:Competitor Ammunition Collection and Storage
28. An initial sample of eight rounds of ammunition will be collected from each
competitor at a time and place determined by Match Officials. Match
Officials may require that a competitor’s ammunition be retested at any time
during the match and may collect further samples as necessary.
29. It is recommended that ammunition be collected from competitors as randomly
as is possible to insure that the collected ammunition accurately
matches the ammunition the competitor is actually using in competition.
30. Collected ammunition must be clearly labeled with the competitor’s identity.
31. Collected ammunition must be stored in a shaded location, out of the direct
effects of the sun. When stored overnight, collected ammunition must be
stored indoors at normal room temperature.
And yes, you can go back to your car at lunch and get more ammo.
Bud
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Kyle,
What are the chances that this new ruling will be finalized in time for Area 8 (August 9-12)?
Bud
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The fact that we have a basepad available that is named SNL* shows, I think, that we need this cleared up.
(* SNL = Sometimes Not Legal)
Kyle,
Since you are now the Area 5 Director, have you brought this matter to the attention of the Director of NROI?
John is noticeably absent on this forum.
As for the SNL, that has more to do with the fact that magazines are not made to exacting tolerances. As I stated earlier, I have two mags that are on the short side and fit the gauge with SNL basepads.
As for the Glock big stick mags. For some strange reason, I never see those anywhere near the Chronograph. Must be afraid of infrared light or something.
Bud
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I just don't get it. You place the magazine in the gauge, you hold the magazine with enough force to keep it in place in the gauge. You check to see that there is no space above the two pads on the gauge where the magazine should be touching. If this really needs directions in the rulebook, then we are in sad shape. I have to believe that the gauge was created as a quick and sure method to test magazines. Using a steel ruler to perform this test would take much longer and really back up the chronograph stage. But, I am willing to bet that is what some of you want so the mag check is thrown out.
Things to do to help you pass the mag gauge test. Remove any grip tape from the back 1/2" of the basepad. Chamfer the back corner of the mag behind the feed lips. Test your mags in a gauge before the match.
Don't rely on the manufacturers claim that his basepads will fit the gauge. Magazines are not made to 0.001" tolerances. I have 9 SV mags and only two of them will pass the gauge with a Dawson +1 SNL basepad.
Bud
And how do you quantify "enough force to keep it in place"? Is it enough force to keep it in place with the back of the magazine touching the pads in the gauge? Or is it enough force to keep it in place that the mag doesn't fall out if the mag and gauge are held with the long axis going vertical?
Hence the very reason I started this thread !!!
Enough force to keep the magazine on top of the gauge while holding it up to a light to see if the pads are in contact with the magazine. Basically, very little force. I like it even better when I can just slide the mag up and down in the gauge. The gauge is made oversized, so a 'legal' magazine should fit in just by setting it on the gauge.
As for the Glock basepads, I have not seen any that did not fit in the gauge. What model Glock magazines have this need for extra tall basepads?
Bud
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I just don't get it. You place the magazine in the gauge, you hold the magazine with enough force to keep it in place in the gauge. You check to see that there is no space above the two pads on the gauge where the magazine should be touching. If this really needs directions in the rulebook, then we are in sad shape. I have to believe that the gauge was created as a quick and sure method to test magazines. Using a steel ruler to perform this test would take much longer and really back up the chronograph stage. But, I am willing to bet that is what some of you want so the mag check is thrown out.
Things to do to help you pass the mag gauge test. Remove any grip tape from the back 1/2" of the basepad. Chamfer the back corner of the mag behind the feed lips. Test your mags in a gauge before the match.
Don't rely on the manufacturers claim that his basepads will fit the gauge. Magazines are not made to 0.001" tolerances. I have 9 SV mags and only two of them will pass the gauge with a Dawson +1 SNL basepad.
Bud
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Spitballing ideas with Skydiver.
4) An illustration of caliper measurements would help.
Eliminate any confusion of using anything other than the official gauge.
5) Have alternate procedures in the case the back of the basepad doesn't fit into the cutout section of the gauge. (Was it Taylor Freelance that doesn't fit in the cutout?) I have no idea how the magazine length is going to be measured using calipers, without having to trace an outline of the magazine, and then measuring the outline. The alternative is to performing some some trigonometric calculation based on the measurable sides and angles - yuck!
The gauge is the only standard. If your basepads don't fit, it is time for new basepads. There is a pretty generous cutout in the gauge for basepads. I'm surprised there are some that interfere in that area.
6) Have some standard for how much pressure is needed to hold the magazine in the gauge: I suggest putting the gauge on the table, the magazine on top of the gauge, and then lining up 5 230 gn bullets along the front face of the magazine as close to the magazine lips as possible. An illustration would help.
The mag can only be inserted into the gauge by gravity. The competitor is allowed to remove the spring and follower before testing, or after failing the test.
9) Might as well explicitly outlaw telescoping magazines or telescoping base pads.
Yes
10) Have provisions for magazines which may have the correct length, but the feedlip/basepad angles prevent it from fitting in the gauge.
See my response to #5.
How about adding something to the rulebook mandating the use of the gage at L3 and higher matches. I've never seen one used at a match. I know this would be difficult to enforce. It would be easy for the competitor to hide his non-compliant big stick when heading to chrono.
Scott,
As for hiding the BIG stick, not a problem if the Range Master is walking around with a Mag Gauge in his pocket. He can measure magazines anywhere on the range. And I sse no problem with mandating mag measurements at a Level 3 and above match just like the chronograph is required.
Bud
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Let's try having this written into the procedure:
In addition to using the gauge, a trigger pull scale shall be used to pull/settle the magazine into the gauge. If the force needed exceeds 1.5 lbs to pull the magazine into position, the magazine shall be deemed oversized. This procedure will be done with the magazine and gauge in a horizontal position with the back of the magazine facing towards the ground to give the shooter the benefit of using the magazine's own body weight supply additional force for settling into the gauge.
Of course, that procedure above still doesn't account for the rule book saying measure on thing, but the gauge not only measures that thing, but also measures the feedlip angle.
Curtis, will with the gauge handle a magazine whose angle from feed lips to magazine back measures more than 165 degrees? (Not that there's a magazine that is designed like that, yet.) Based on the pictures, I don't think it can.
Yep, then we'll need a spec trigger pull gauge, that will have to be certified annually, and the one used at major matches will be a different color than those available to us. Analog or digital? And the exact spot the gauge will be placed on the magazine will not be defined anywhere in the rule book.
The mag should fit in the gauge without any force being applied.
Bud
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Wouldn't compressing the spring/follower and basepad be similar to compressing the rear sight to make it fit the box for Single Stack?
No, it wouldn't. You are measuring the magazine to find it capacity limit. Therefore, the magazine should be measured at its full extension. If I could compress the magazine basepad during the measuring, what would stop some accessory maker from producing a basepad that would slide up 1" (or more) when compressed.
Bud
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Are you or are you not thinking the mag in the picture is legal?
With the mag crooked in the gauge it is clearly illegal. With the mag straight in the gauge it appears to be legal due to the rumored "No daylight" criteria. With the mag sitting in the gauge with some pressure applied it appears to be very legal. However, are you allow to apply pressure when measuring or not ?? If not, show me where this is documented !!
Nick,
I used enough pressure to hold the mag and the gauge without slipping, anything more than that would be forcing the mag into the gauge. I also kept the basepad square to the bottom of the gauge. I did have calipers with me, you should have asked me to measure the magazine as shown in Appendix E1 of the rulebook.
You are free to send a query to John Amidon, Director of NROI, and ask the question on how to measure mags using the gauge. I would be very interested to read his reply in Front Sight.
Bud
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I use those same mags and extensions. Along with at least a thousand other shooters.They fit. Something not right here.
BINGO !
Nick,
I was the chrono officer at the Western PA Section. What I was looking for was to have the mag sit fully in the gauge and to have at least 'some contact' on both raised pads on the gauge. Yes, there could be some direction in the rulebook, but this is a fairly straightforward process. There is only one way for the magazine to fit and the raised pads on the gauge are there to remove any problems with mags that are not completely flat on the back side.
I showed you the mag in the gauge and why it was not within specification. I had the other chrono officier check the mag and he found it to be too long as well. Finally, the Range Master also checked your magazine and found it to be too long for Limited. He made the call to move you to Open Division.
Did you check all of your magazines before the match?
I have Dawson +1 and +1 S.N.L. basepads on my magazines. Only two of my SV tubes will fit the mag gauge with the +1 S.N.L. basepads installed. Mag tubes are NOT a precision part. This note is included with the Dawson basepads:
These basepads are designed to fully utilize the 140 mm USPSA magazine gauge. However, due to manufacturer's variances in magazine body lengths, thay may exceed the gauge tolerance. It is your responsibility to make sure your magazine with the +1 Plus basepad fits the USPSA magazine gauge. A small amount of material can be removed from the top of the feed lip to allow for the small tolerance differences.
The manufacturer should have included a smimilar warning in the packaging with your new basepads. And you were not the only one to comment that these basepads are USPSA legal. The basepads are legal to use, but the manufacturer would be foolish to guarantee that they were legal on any magazine tube that you choose to use them on. Perhaps the OEM purchased mag tubes from Mecgar in 2009 and then in 2010 decided to use Joe's Metal Fab down the street. Do you think the mag tubes would all be the exact same length? Trust but verify is very good advice.
Bud Connolly
Chrono Officer
2010 Western PA Section Championship
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SLM,
You can shoot the Crooked Creek match on Saturday. The only catch is, you have to help with setup. We will start setup at 12:30 PM and should be shooting by 2:30 PM. We have to finish shooting by 5:00 PM since the club is having an event starting then and they like to have it quiet.
Bud
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"the SV Solid Rib Barrel in .40 cal is now legal for Limited and Limited 10."
Direct quote from page 4 of the July/August 2004 issue of Front Sight in John Amidon's Inside NROI column.
Bud
See Appendix C2 in the current rulebook for a complete desription of the chrono procedure, but here is the pertinent part for you:
2019 Match Announcements (please post all announcements here)
in Match Announcements - Pistol Only - USPSA, IPSC & Misc.
Posted
2019 Ohio North Section Championship
Battle for the North Coast presented by Champion Precision Firearms
June 28-30, 2019
held at Crooked Creek Pistol League, 4323 State Route 534, Hartsgrove, OH 44085
Register on Practiscore.com starting January 1, 2019 @ Noon. Last day to register is June 24, 2019 @ 8:00 PM.
Match Fee: $100 and Juniors: $50 Last day to withdraw with a full refund is Friday, May 31, 2019.
Max Entries: 288 8 squads/day with 12 shooters/squad
Match Director: Bretton Rebol md_battle2@practicalpistol.net
Range Master: Paul Hernandez
Website: https://www.practicalpistol.net/2019battle.html