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There is a rumor of a format change for the Cup next year.
Wed through Fri - same as before. All competitors shoot the 4 courses of fire.
Saturday, top 20 shoot the 4 courses of fire again. Plus top 4 in each of metallic and production.
I'm not sure if it will be the combined 2 match score or the 2nd match score to determine the winner.
This sounds similar to international shooting events. The top scorers of the match qualify for the finals and then the scores from one extra target shot in the finals are added onto the scores from the match to determine the top places. But who knows what they'll do.
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Please go to http://www.uspsavamdsection.com for the link to online registration and announcements.
But the web site expired 1/21/2014 -- can't see anything right now.
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I have Rudy rydons with the inserts. I have inserts with the regular prescription and bifocals for normal wear or red dot shooting and a special prescription for iron sights. They work well for anything I want to do. It isn't that strong so they work for any action sport. If they were stronger there would be a problem with going prone. The eye doctor who can calculate the right prescription should be able to tell you if you're going to have problems like that.
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I have two Model 41s and will not dry fire them. The other option is a snap cap to drop the FP on. I have never owned a RF snap cap so I really don't know if that is a viable option.
http://www.larrysguns.com/Products/Chamber-Plugs__LGI.aspx
for the $10 you get 10 chamber/dry fire plugs. You can put one in the chamber, drop the slide, and then pull the trigger.
No harm to the gun.
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Just a note, the Lee powder measure will never double charge as it has the disc cavities, however it is prone to under charges if the disk does not cycle back and forth completely, sometimes it has a tendency to stick. when mine was new, it did not do it, after about 15k rounds, it started developing it, however it could of been that the powder measure/disk got a tad dirty and was sticking.
If you have the spring return on the Lee Powder measure you can get a double charge by lowering the brass out of the powder measure, that's about an inch, and then putting it back up into the measure. Very easy to do while you're screwing around with anything else on the press.
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A few years ago the NRA tried to hold informational meetings during the Bullseye phase at Camp Perry. They had some small prizes to give away and were hoping to tell people about shooting action pistol.
I think they did it for four years. I'm not sure that anyone except me ever showed up.
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Famous gun maker "You can't make a stainless 45 that will shoot 1.5" groups it would gall itself to the point of failure".
Well, that's simply bordering on violating forum rules. We're talking about 1.5" groups at 50 yards. Your FGM guarantees 3" groups at 50 yards on all his guns including the stainless ones, but he does offer 1.5" at 50 yards as an option on carbon steel guns. Can YOU name anyone who guarantees 1.5" groups at 50 yards on any gun they make, or even any guarantee at 50 yards? Probably not. The best I've seen is a 2" guarantee at 25 yards. No comparison.
Now, back to the gun store humor.
Can you say "Wilson"?? 1"@25 yard guarantee
Les Baer
From his price list --
Note: Customers can request a "1-1/2” groups at 50 yds.” guarantee on many 5” and 6” steel pistols. This service is available only on Les Baer Pistols. Add... $ 295.00
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Just to mention a different sport -- the NRA Action pistol rules say
3.17 Ammunition -
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(f) All ammunition fired by a competitor in a tournament must maintain identical bullet design, weight, and
velocity.
So your match would be over at the Chrono. At the Bianchi Cup you send bullets to the Chrono at each stage.
The NRA rules for chronoing are a lot different too.
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If you drove 4, permanent, pins into the ground, at known positions, in each bay, wouldn't it be possible to lay out stages fairly exactly with strings and a protractor?
Yes. You could do the same thing with one temporary pin. The stage planning would have to be detailed and there'd be a lot of calculations to be done.
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I thought you were a brain surgeon or was that a short order cook.
Carry the naught,
Rich
that's brain surgeon, fry cook, or double naught spy.
Just out of curiousity, how many people have actually weighed their production triggers and found them < 3 pounds?
BTW, the NRA Bullseye, International, Bianchi, and real International guys use trigger weights all the time. It is very reproducible. I'm not arguing whether or not to do it, just that it can be done fairly.
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Interesting. I have to wonder why USPSA did not follow IPSC and move to a 5# limit IF they were going to make the change in the first place. I am not advocating the 5# limit but they must have known some folks would be upset with a limit change in any event so why not at least align the decision with your International cousins. The one positive thing a 3# limit does is it will keep striker fired pistols in the game. With IPSC's 5# limit DA SA guns have the advantage of transitioning to a 2 - 3 pound SA pull while the striker fired guns remain at +5#s. Among the truly competitive shooters you hardly ever see a striker fired gun shooting Production in IPSC up here. Too, the Glock 34 is not a legal IPSC Production gun.
Take care
Bob
Is this still true in the IPSC world?
(IPSC Production) Check Your Trigger Pull Weight! Proposed changes to the IPSC 2012 rulebook
http://www.brianenos.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=127983 (I don't know how to post a good looking link to another topic.)
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How do they measure a Glock or CZ trigger, for example?
I've never seen one in bullseye but for Action Pistol matches they hang the weight from the trigger and rotate the gun backwards far enough to keep the weights hanging in the middle of the trigger. So the barrel's not vertical but it is somewhat standardized. They'll lift the pistol as slowly as they can to get it to pass. All the weight has to do is clear the table.
1911s are easy, a lot of the international pistols have a groove across the trigger to hold the weight in the center.
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Check your trigger weight at the start of the match with a clean gun and check half-way through the match at the chrono and it could be different.
The NRA only checks weights before the shooting starts unless the shooter sets a national record. Then the trigger still has to pass the weight check.
Every year at the Leg matches at Camp Perry there are guns that won't make weight without a shot of brake cleaner to clean the oil from the hammer and sear. Then the armorer will warn them not to oil anything until after the referees get done with the spot checks on the line.
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Rob, if we do go down the path of trigger pull weight, any format created should be automatic and without human intervention. Not trying to be argumentative here, just asking questions. How far from the table do I have to have the gun lifted? How long do I have to have the weight on - is it like a bull rider getting 8 seconds?
IF you go down this path it needs to be a procedure that anyone can do anytime/anywhere with repeatable results, and should include an appeal process - just like the chrono process has. Specific setups and calibrations, insurance that the device is within tolerance -again, just like the chronograph requires certain things. Remember that the chrono mfgs also stipulate how the chrono should be setup for optimal results, how far apart certain parts should be, etc.
The NRA checks the trigger weight on a lot of bullseye, international, and Bianchi guns. I don't know about PPC. All guns shot in a CMP Leg match are supposed to be weighed before shooting. ISU Guns used in international shooting (that's not IPSC) get measured all the time. There's a lot of history and procedures there already.
I think the real argument is whether or not to weigh them at all.
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The men should take a tip from the ladies and put some effort into the banquet. Please don't be the guy that shows up in your Techwear shirt.
It doesn't happen at USPSA, but you should check out the Bianchi Cup awards dinner. Coat and tie for the men is required. USPSA -- be comfortable.
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Move toward barrel and engage only PP2 after both feet have left Box A and before one foot has entered Box B.
The appropriate shooting location is outside Boxes A and B, but the WSB also states that it has to be shot before entering Box B. By being in Box B, at least one foot has already entered Box B.
Reading a little differently --
It says you have to engage PP2 after both feet leave box A and before touching the ground in box B. It doesn't say you have to knock it down before getting a foot down in Box B. And it says you can't engage it from Box B but it doesn't say you can't get out of box B if you want to shoot at PP2 some more.
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Hello everyone,
I know the USMC Bullseye guys use Nosler 185 grain with vv-n310 at 4.0 grains. Does anyone know there OAL? Thanks in advance.... I think they use a 14 pound spring.
The traditional marine load started out at 4.4 grains of VV-310 with a Nosler 185 jhp seated to 1.2 inches. Usually given as a Winchester primer in new Winchester or Starline Brass. They've backed that off to 4.1 grains becasue they were breaking guns and the softer load still worked. The 14 pound spring is adjusted for the gun but it does mean that they are using a slide mounted scope.
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What were your impressions as to felt recoil of the two powders...?
Surprised to see the 147 PF of the Atlanta Arms ammunition.....Did the ammo say it was made to be minor PF?
That should be the Army Marksmanship Unit ammunition - 185 Nosler JHP. It's built for Bullseye accuracy and function.
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Not correct, and I tried it to make sure
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More quotes than I wanted to deal with.
I haven't tried it in a few minor versions, so I'm happy its been fixed. I can skip my extra steps.
I tried it the same way in the latest version, now when you save the match entry record the master id record number shows as 0 instead of blank. If you edit the match entry record and save it the master record number becomes what it should be and the master record has been changed.
So each shooter in a group of matches will have a unique number that identifies them if the same masternames database is used to score all the matches.
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I don't get this. I key in someone new at a match and their record absolutely is copied to masternames.db, even if another one is already there.
The record goes to the masternames database but the masternames record index number doesn't come back to the match entry record. So that field stays blank. If you later edit and save something on the match entry record like the email address you get another record for the person in the masternames database. If you allow the new person to shoot the match twice the second entry will have the master id number.
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Well, there is a unique shooter number in EZWinscore you could use....
I was just looking at that. It's a sequence number assigned by the software as new records are created. It's probably as good as anything, but oddly it doesn't seem to always carry over into the registration file correctly - you end up with a 0 instead. Oh, well, that's a different subject...
I get that when I add a new person directly from the registration form. So now when I need to add someone I go to the master database, add and save them there, and then go back to the registration form. You have to pick another letter tab and then go back to the original tab to refresh the list of names so you can choose the name you just added.
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I don't see the big deal with rear adjustable sights for production anyways. Are there really any production shooters that are constantly changing their adjustable sights at every yard line? I am just looking for a way to get my M&P to shoot dead on at the 25. I'll adjust myself around the gun after that.
Getting it shoot dead on would be a good reason to have adjustable sights. And if you end up using different weight bullets for another match they'd come in real handy.
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Today you can have aftermarket barrels in PD guns (but the rules say we can't)? Today, you can have adjustable rear sights on any PD gun, (but the rules state only those manufactured with adjustables may use them).
Rules are the rules? Or are they just a guideline, open to interpretation? Crap.
http://www.nrahq.org/compete/RuleBooks/Action/act-book.pdf
(d) Only open sights may be used. The front sight must be a non-adjustable post sight. The rear sight may be
adjustable if the firearm was originally manufactured with an adjustable sight. Sights may be replaced but
they must use the original dovetail cuts and must retain the original configuration of the firearm. Fiber optic
sights are permitted.
(e) Barrels may be replaced with original factory or after market barrels with the same configuration and
caliber of the original barrel. Modifications to the slide or frame to facilitate the use of the aftermarket
barrel are not permitted
The following firearm modifications are prohibited:
A - Single action only firearms
B - Custom -shop firearms.
C - Changes in the original factory sight configuration of the firearm are prohibited, front adjustable sights.
D - Peep, ghost, optical, electronic, Bo-Mar and Aristocrat type sights.
(edited so A,B,C,D didn't look like smiley faces after a copy and paste.
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Your gamers are correct. By placing targets along two berms you have created a stage with two backstops.
For the sake of discussion let's say 'up' in your diagram is North and the bay opens to the South. Under 10.5.2 a competitor can engage targets anywhere from due West (90 degrees from the North backstop) to due South (90 degrees from the East backstop). This isn't a problem so long as the berms reach far enough. It's fairly common at major matches. If the berms don't cover the full 270 then you have a problem.
All I see are some targets spread out along the side berm and the back berm. So you can shoot to the right while moving toward the back of the stage and taking the back targets.
By your reasoning any 3 sided bay with targets along the sidewalls becomes a bay with three back berms and you end up being able to shoot anywahere in the 360 degrees by facing each sidewall. And that includes shooting out the open end of the bay.
Open Gun
in USPSA/IPSC Rules
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yes it would be, there's no restrictions on weights or the extra barrel length.