Justinsaneok
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I just got an old HK imported M1super90 and need chokes as well . Got a 26” rib vent barrel on it and would like to know if I need Mobil thread chokes? Or if anyone’s got any to spare. I’m putting this together for 3 gun. Sallisaw Oklahoma if anyone’s close to me that would be cool.
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I was told to get a STI. lol
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so I guess thats it
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Mac Gar mag seems fine from the start. Anyone else find this to be true?
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So the issue is with para mags? Has para ever said anything about it, or better yet done something about it?
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I forgot to add that the Mec Gar mag and the 3 nickel or stainless para mags were brand new.
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Well it all started when I thought it would be a good Idea to by a Para P14-45 from a guy on armslist It was advertised as having the front strap checkered, Ed Brown internals and 7 mags for $825 I asked if everything worked and he said yes he sent it off to have a gunsmith to do all the work and everything works fine. He sent me poor quality pics when I asked for more. The gun seems okay. It seem to have a different trigger everything else looks factory it still has the 80 series parts in minus the plunger. It also had a extended mag release.
I'm really confused about all the mags I have for it. The only one that would work was the Mec Gar mag. It's the only one that would load to capacity and fully seat and lock into the frame. Only other mag that would seat was the 10 rd para mag that someone hacked all up my guess with a dremel. It came with another 10 rd mag that wouldn't seat. I didn't want to hack up every mag I get and it works with the one good mag so I looked at the mag release catch and noticed it seemed like it could be filed flat and slightly beveled so it would let the mags seat and lock in. They all at least seat in the gun now.
The 1st one is a black para mag. It wouldn't seat and lock in the frame. Now it seats and kind of works but doesn't feed very well.marked made in Canada holds 14 rds.
2nd is a MEC-GAR design and mfg P14-45 Made in Italy has windows in the back indicating capacity at 4, 7, 10, 12, 14, It holds the 14 and seems like the best one I have. Para marked base. Seated and loaded and feed from the start looked brand new.
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5th are all marked Made in Canada on body and base. I think they are nickle? Will load about half before I dent the brass trying to load more. They will not feed. The bullets will rattle around and not feed up the mag. The follower I noticed was catching in the catch cutout beveled the follower and solved that problem but there is still something else from letting them load all the way. The spring. If I take and swap the good mag spring the mags will load to closer to capacity 10 or 11 but will not feed. with either spring. I need to pound them on ,my knee to get the next round to the top. They will all rattle around in there.
Kind of bummed. Any advice on what my next move should be? I might get some extended basepads one day when I can afford them. I would trade AK mags for some working mags for the P 14. Buying new mags to try is not an option.
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I'm boring.
I punch out the A zone with hits and then just keep shooting
Me too. I just trace the A zone with a black marker. I would like to know where to get those 25% size targets to litter my house with.
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On set up tighten the shell plate till it's a little tight to turn, set the locking set screw. Then I'll back off the center bolt very little at a time till the shell plate turns free. Using a Lee first stage carbide sizer, I'll set it so a strip of paper between the sizer and the shell plate will pull out with drag with tension down on the operating handle.
Had problems with OAL in 9mm minor using heavy 147-160 bullets. The insert in the seating die was hitting the sides of the bullet and the sides varied.
I'm using a Lee die set in my machine, removed the insert from the seating die and had a friend, machinist make a insert that was flat so the seating die only hit the nose or tip of the bullet. Using Dillon spray lube, I make sure just a little got inside the case. I might help also to open the powder funnel, belling die.
I'm real happy if I can keep OAL to .0003, 0005 is OK.
Heck, that close? .ooo3 I wish!
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I also am seating off the tip by using the wad cutter side of the plug for both 9mm and .40. I'm loading round nose 9mm and flat point .40 and it seems to work better.
Keep an eye out for round nose bullets to seat crooked using the wadcutter insert. To me it sounds like if the wadcutter insert helps with oal then the problem was almost certainly inconsistantly shaped bullets.
I think your right! I guess now I need to find a good deal on some new bullets. Seems I loaded and shot the 1000 Rainier 115gr I had and the 1000 .40 rainier 165 gr bullets I had. Thats fine I wanted 124gr and 180gr bullets anyway. I love reloading and am bummed out I ran out of bullets already. Thanks everyone for all your help.
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I was able to get my variance down to .005 by tightening my tool head up with cut feeler gauges. All of my tool heads are tighter or looser than others. It was very loose tightening it made a world of difference. I also am seating off the tip by using the wad cutter side of the plug for both 9mm and .40. I'm loading round nose 9mm and flat point .40 and it seems to work better.
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I've been using a Redding competition seating die now for a couple of months. Highly recommend it. You will see your variances tighten up a lot.
I also like the Redding taper die better than the Dillon. No matter how tight you make it, it doesn't look like a roll crimp.
Neat thing about the Redding seater die is changing between different bullets is a snap with the micrometer.
Ya I think I'm sold on the idea.
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Loaded some 121 IFP (Montana Gold) today. Just installed a Redding competition seating die on my 550. After getting the shellplate full I found little to no round to round deviation.
I plan on getting one of those!
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Just ordered a DP adjustable and front FO. Ordered at 3:00, already on the truck.
Oliver where did you order from?
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I don't know how much difference it might make, the Beretta has a 5" bbl, and I see that the Glock 22 has a 4.49" bbl. I have forgotten the OAL on my loads, but I have never seen any trace of primer flattening or anything else that might suggest they might be a little hot in my gun, your results may vary.
I think my results were due to loading to short.
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The length being close to the same has nothing to do with it. The shape of the bullets not being identical would be the problem. If you take a bullet that is one inch long and one that is a half inch long and seat them they would be the same oal as long as the shape of the bullet was identical.(lengths used for dramitization of course)
Ya but it still will be different because the one inch bullet seats in the case farther so pressure goes higher than the half inch bullet because less of the half inch bullet is seated in the case. So yes the longer bullet does not effect COAL but does affect accuracy, constancy and my sanity. Plus they all weigh the same but are different lengths so the weight or mass is in different places on the bullets if they are different lengths. So if they are seating of the ogive part they will never seat to the same depth at the tip.
Round nose bullets do seat off the ogive and if it is imperfect from bullet to bullet then that will wreak havoc on your oal. I agree with the others who suggest some top quality bullets.
I 100 % agree with your statement. Some of my round nose rainiers however bottom out all the way to the vent hole. Some do not.
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The length being close to the same has nothing to do with it. The shape of the bullets not being identical would be the problem. If you take a bullet that is one inch long and one that is a half inch long and seat them they would be the same oal as long as the shape of the bullet was identical.(lengths used for dramitization of course)
Ya but it still will be different because the one inch bullet seats in the case farther so pressure goes higher than the half inch bullet because less of the half inch bullet is seated in the case. So yes the longer bullet does not effect COAL but does affect accuracy, constancy and my sanity. Plus they all weigh the same but are different lengths so the weight or mass is in different places on the bullets if they are different lengths. So if they are seating of the ogive part they will never seat to the same depth at the tip.
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My standard 9mm load for many years has been 4.6 gr of WW231 using a 115 gr JHP, not sure about the length. The bullets in the chrony info below are Zero 115 gr JHP, and I'm shooting them in a Beretta Model 92. Due to huge increases in bullet prices I will probably buy plated bullets the next time I make a bulk bullet purchase.
9/28/2006 115 gr hollow point Fed primer
70 degrees 4.6 gr WW231 Beretta 92
1 1107.00 1079.00
2 1073.00 1111.00
3 1074.00 1063.00
4 1088.00 1107.00
5 1113.00 1079.00
6 1059.00 1089.00
7 1110.00 1100.00
8 1092.00 1086.00
9 1065.00 1104.00
10 1106.00 1086.00
Avg vel 1089.00 1091.00
High 1113.00 1111.00
Low 1059.00 1061.00
ES 54.00 45.60
SD 20.10 14.50
AD 17.00 11.90
This is almost identical to what I'm getting. Tested up to 4.6 Grains of 231 with a Rainier 115 gr round nose out of a lone wolf conversion barrel in a G22. This might sound crazy but it will shoot 2" groups at 30 yards of the bench. Going 1100 FPS I was seeing pressure signs in the primer (FED) so I I'm loading them a little longer than before.
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Tell you what. How about I send you a dozen bullets from my stash for you to test and load. Let's eliminate the bullets. I've got some 185 JSWC, 200 grain MG JFP, 230 Berry's PRN. PM me your address and I'll drop some in the mail.
I think the bullets have something to do with it. I will be messing with this tonight when I get home. Last night I measured a few bullets and the seater plug and they were all different and thats with picking through and finding some that were measuring .560 long. So I have a problem right there. Bullets that are the same size aren't fitting in the plug at the same depth. All of the bullets are off buy .005 and thats not much. Not enough to get me this far off. I checked 50 bullets to get 7 the same OAL. LOL Save your bullets for now Ben. I do appreciate the offer.
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I can't believe I didn't mention that I keep the shell plate full all the time. And to make sure its not because of any change in the start and stop points I don"t count the first and last few I set them aside.
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My buddy has some on his Gen 4 G17 and I really like them. They are really pricey. I can't seem to find them in stock anywhere.
Shooter's Connection has them listed as "In stock, low quantities"
Cool beans
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Just to be clear, you're saying that you're trying to get a COL of 1.200" and you're getting anywhere from 1.170" to 1.220"?
1. Please, I don't mean to be insulting, but I'd like to see a pic of how you're measuring this.
2. Load five rounds. Measure the COL, pull the bullet and measure the bullet length. Post up the results. Let's see if there's correlation between the COL and bullet length.
3. Remove the crimping die and repeat test 2.
I'm using Dillon dies. Ben you'll just have to trust I know how to use this measurey thingy! LOL I checked this micrometer against 4 others and surprisingly they ALL where the same. I did get a slight variance while measuring the bullets. about .01 so I measured a few and put all the ones that were the same in a pile and measured them and the seater plug. They were about .015 off on average. The bullet seems to bottom out on the vent hole in the seater plug. Yes I was putting the round nose bullet in the round nose seater plug. Not really impressed with Rainier bullets right now.
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