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Its obvious svi are the better guns, that's why all the top shooters shoot them. Oh..... wait, they don't? Damn that's impressive then, the fact that they're shooting/finishing so well despite being held back so much by their sti frame and slides, filled with egw, ed brown and wilson combat parts. Holy cow, could you imagine how good max, sevigny, blake, manny etc could be if they shot a svi.
the OP's question was "svi prices,worth it?". stay on topic bud,or post elsewhere. the question had nothing to do with max, sevigny, blake, manny,only svi pistols value.
You weren't very good at connect the dots as a child, were you?
sorry if that hurt your feelings
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Its obvious svi are the better guns, that's why all the top shooters shoot them. Oh..... wait, they don't? Damn that's impressive then, the fact that they're shooting/finishing so well despite being held back so much by their sti frame and slides, filled with egw, ed brown and wilson combat parts. Holy cow, could you imagine how good max, sevigny, blake, manny etc could be if they shot a svi.
the OP's question was "svi prices,worth it?". stay on topic bud,or post elsewhere. the question had nothing to do with max, sevigny, blake, manny,only svi pistols value.
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very nice looking build! anxious to see the results
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if it were me..........i would contact joe chambers and i would talk with brandon at svi. either choice would leave you very satisfied.
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Oh wait, I guess I do, since I just took the time to watch it!
HAHA!!!!!
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if you ever get down to houston carlos.........let me know! we gotta go shooting sometime
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haha! love that last vid!!!!!!!!!! TOO FUNNY! we would get along just fine
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Doug Jones has built several guns for me and repaired a few that other gunsmiths had their hand in.... He is the guy behind Acc-U-Rails... the rails on a 1911 style gun that tighten up the frame to slide fit. Not to drop names but Jerry Barnhart still has Doug do all his handgun work....
Link to his website. He is in Monday, Tuesday, Thursday and Friday. And remember, he's in the Eastern time zone.
BC
i have had doug accurail quite a few of my guns and his work has always been very fair priced, excellent quality with fast turn around. id say definintly give him a call
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That's a pretty neat idea. I think if i were to invest all of that dough i'd want to see the processes they do and how it's born.
thanks,im pretty excited about it.....me being a bit of builder myself,its exciting to see in person how its done
I bet they don't let you go in the shop and look around too much. Liability and all...
If Trace hasn't seen it all I don't think they will let you have free reign in the shop.
oh i dont expect any kind of free reign there,that would be silly to expect that. i just wanna check some of it out.....in whatever aspect that may be. im just looking to be a tourist.........albeit a very attentive one
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Nice you will love it...That's a pretty neat idea. I think if i were to invest all of that dough i'd want to see the processes they do and how it's born.
thanks,im pretty excited about it.....me being a bit of builder myself,its exciting to see in person how its done
I have considered svi, but the wait time and acess to a good local smith steered me away.
Cheers,
Los
thanks bud. i appreciate that
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That's a pretty neat idea. I think if i were to invest all of that dough i'd want to see the processes they do and how it's born.
thanks,im pretty excited about it.....me being a bit of builder myself,its exciting to see in person how its done
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I don't work there so I can't tell you for sure...
so are you saying the sldes and frames are oversized when they are machined? i would think they would be machined to such a close tolerance that there would be far less fitting required to make them physically fit together. their barrels have a finished barrel hood length of 1.315,but the lower lugs are left oversized.i would think on their aet barrels that only go in their guns,that the barrel lug profile and thickness could be done on a mill simply based off math. am i misunderstanding?
Well my point was that there is no such thing as less physical fitting... Because the parts they make and the parts the sell are just as oversized as others...id like to think that with less physical fitting work required,they put more attention to detail in getting a higher level of radial lug contact,slide fit and feel etc......
Other wise you run the risk of buying a part for a build or for replacement that fits loose..
But they do sell their slide and frames just like Sti, and it would not be cost efficient to manufacture two specs (for sales vs internal)..
Common sense would dictate that for ultimate fit and last of fit, then fitting would be done after the manufacturing process (initially with a secondary mill or cnc, and then by hand with lapping compound)... I would bet that svi has a couple of smith work on the gun, each one specializing on a particular fitting process..
But as I said before I don't work there so I wouldn't know their inner workings...
If you are paying 5k for a gun, I would hope that the majority of the cost is on the man hours that go into fitting a gun to perfection. And not on machine time which is relative cheap compared to manual labor...
Cheers,
Los
i am going to pick up my svi from them in person in april.....i am going to see how they do it. im anxious to see how its done now. your right about the labortime vs machine time. ill report back after my trip down there....
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Well my point was that there is no such thing as less physical fitting... Because the parts they make and the parts the sell are just as oversized as others...id like to think that with less physical fitting work required,they put more attention to detail in getting a higher level of radial lug contact,slide fit and feel etc......
Other wise you run the risk of buying a part for a build or for replacement that fits loose..
so are you saying the sldes and frames are oversized when they are machined? i would think they would be machined to such a close tolerance that there would be far less fitting required to make them physically fit together. their barrels have a finished barrel hood length of 1.315,but the lower lugs are left oversized.i would think on their aet barrels that only go in their guns,that the barrel lug profile and thickness could be done on a mill simply based off math. am i misunderstanding?
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id like to think that with less physical fitting work required,they put more attention to detail in getting a higher level of radial lug contact,slide fit and feel etc......
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agreed. i was really referring to the manufacturing process that svi has vs a a smith that orders in his favorite assortment of parts. their will be far less fitting(im mainly thinking about frame,slide and barrel) required with the way svi makes a gun. hood lengths a tad too long? grab a little thinner breechface etc....
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While you are at it, check the base of your hammer where the hammer spur meets the hammer...
you might very well be right about that. i cant imagine what would cause 7 hammers to break! the bb on the trigger bow,ill bet your right about....ill have to pull mine out just to be sure now.
Sorry your response is a bit hard to understand, what are you being serious about, and what are you being funny about?
thats why i said i dont know about that problem bud. that was being funny,i was being serious.
Not sure how much you know about svi hammers and trigger bows... But they pretty much just drop in...Double
Doesn't matter if your spec hammer cracks every 10k rounds...There are other companies that make parts out of bar stock. EGW makes great stuff to use in a build. Are you saying their stuff is inferior?
i have used a LOTS of egw and sv parts... sv is superior. ive yet to have a sv part that was out of spec........not the case with egw. egw i decent stuff,just not the level of svi parts.
Or the bb on your triglide bow breaks off... Or your interchangeable trigger shoe comes off...
Tolerance and specs aren't everything...
i dont know what to say about that bud........but i dont hear alot of svi owners complaining of these issues. and many of them have absurd amts of rounds down the pipe. maybe they are just better at fitting their parts than you are?
The feating is usually done to the thumb safety, and only if it needs it...
How exactly are you testing your part specs by the way?
And you do realize that the sv frame specs for vs and other 2011 modular frames are different right?
By the way in full disclosure I've only used the "Triple Xcelerated SH Hammer" the break feel of this hammer is amazing, but after cracking 7 of them (and seeing everyone who owned one of this have it crack at the base) I moved away from it...
Also their welded bb's on the trigger bows and sear springs are just ridiculous, I bet many vs shooters opt out, or have lost the bb without even noticing...
My experience has been that the hairline cracks happen right in the corner of the hammer spur pocket, if they are there you can see them without braking down the gun..
thanks carlos,i will definintly check that as well......and will keep a eye on it in the future.
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haha! um........no
have you every built a custom 1911?I have, have you ever though that other people can fit parts to "perfection" using parts other than SV.
The arrogance and willful blindness of SV shooters rivals that of HK owners
well......i can relate to how you feel about hk owners as well! haha. i wasnt being a smartass when i asked that. i was saying if you are able to control tolerences on all of your parts to say .001 then the amt of fitting required would be far less than if you had a bucket of parts from your favorite maker.
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I also know a few sv shooters than switch the carbon fiber triggers, to avoid the shoe horn issues...
All I'm saying is sv parts are good, but they have their own set of problems, just like all the others..
yes,for sure. every maker will have their issues.
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Sorry your response is a bit hard to understand, what are you being serious about, and what are you being funny about?
thats why i said i dont know about that problem bud. that was being funny,i was being serious.
Not sure how much you know about svi hammers and trigger bows... But they pretty much just drop in...Double
Doesn't matter if your spec hammer cracks every 10k rounds...There are other companies that make parts out of bar stock. EGW makes great stuff to use in a build. Are you saying their stuff is inferior?
i have used a LOTS of egw and sv parts... sv is superior. ive yet to have a sv part that was out of spec........not the case with egw. egw i decent stuff,just not the level of svi parts.
Or the bb on your triglide bow breaks off... Or your interchangeable trigger shoe comes off...
Tolerance and specs aren't everything...
i dont know what to say about that bud........but i dont hear alot of svi owners complaining of these issues. and many of them have absurd amts of rounds down the pipe. maybe they are just better at fitting their parts than you are?
The feating is usually done to the thumb safety, and only if it needs it...
How exactly are you testing your part specs by the way?
And you do realize that the sv frame specs for vs and other 2011 modular frames are different right?
By the way in full disclosure I've only used the "Triple Xcelerated SH Hammer" the break feel of this hammer is amazing, but after cracking 7 of them (and seeing everyone who owned one of this have it crack at the base) I moved away from it...
Also their welded bb's on the trigger bows and sear springs are just ridiculous, I bet many vs shooters opt out, or have lost the bb without even noticing...
you might very well be right about that. i cant imagine what would cause 7 hammers to break! the bb on the trigger bow,ill bet your right about....ill have to pull mine out just to be sure now.
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haha! um........noyes,but you can bet the fitting work that is done is to acheive perfection as opposed to just physically fitting. there is a LOT less fitting required when parts are made to spec.
now you're just making stuff up
have you every built a custom 1911?How many have you built? And how many rounds have been put through them by competent shooters?
i have built about 20. no........not in hands of anyone other than my lousy shooting self. i build them for myself only....i do it because i geniounly just like building super accurate 1911s
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Not sure how much you know about svi hammers and trigger bows... But they pretty much just drop in...Double
Doesn't matter if your spec hammer cracks every 10k rounds...There are other companies that make parts out of bar stock. EGW makes great stuff to use in a build. Are you saying their stuff is inferior?
i have used a LOTS of egw and sv parts... sv is superior. ive yet to have a sv part that was out of spec........not the case with egw. egw i decent stuff,just not the level of svi parts.
Or the bb on your triglide bow breaks off... Or your interchangeable trigger shoe comes off...
Tolerance and specs aren't everything...
i dont know what to say about that bud........but i dont hear alot of svi owners complaining of these issues. and many of them have absurd amts of rounds down the pipe. maybe they are just better at fitting their parts than you are?
The feating is usually done to the thumb safety, and only if it needs it...
How exactly are you testing your part specs by the way?
And you do realize that the sv frame specs for vs and other 2011 modular frames are different right?
thats why i said i dont know about that problem bud. that was being funny,i was being serious.
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yes,but you can bet the fitting work that is done is to acheive perfection as opposed to just physically fitting. there is a LOT less fitting required when parts are made to spec.
now you're just making stuff up
haha! um........no
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Doesn't matter if your spec hammer cracks every 10k rounds...There are other companies that make parts out of bar stock. EGW makes great stuff to use in a build. Are you saying their stuff is inferior?
i have used a LOTS of egw and sv parts... sv is superior. ive yet to have a sv part that was out of spec........not the case with egw. egw i decent stuff,just not the level of svi parts.
Or the bb on your triglide bow breaks off... Or your interchangeable trigger shoe comes off...
Tolerance and specs aren't everything...
i dont know what to say about that bud........but i dont hear alot of svi owners complaining of these issues. and many of them have absurd amts of rounds down the pipe. maybe they are just better at fitting their parts than you are?
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THIS!!!! this is a perfect explanation. if you machine all of your own parts and control all machining tolerences and specs....everything can be built to perfection.
Which would be awesome if the parts were drop in. But they aren't, they need to be fitted just like every other manufactures parts
yes,but you can bet the fitting work that is done is to acheive perfection as opposed to just physically fitting. there is a LOT less fitting required when parts are made to spec.
....its just best to stay on topic.
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beautiful pistol man....let us know how she does when you get her broken in