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Can someone post the length of total travel and the length of just the reset for the Gray guns trigger?
There is a great yt video from Robert Burke that breaks down all measurement differences.
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1 hour ago, CalTeacher said:
I’ve still seen zero documentation that you can start with one foot in and one foot out of the starting position stipulates “standing in box.” Why would “behind” mean fully uprange and within the confines of the edge of a table while “standing in box” means standing with one foot out of the box?
It doesn't mean that. You are right; don't let these guys make you crazy. They live to drive DNROI nuts. The "on the grass" example is dumb. "On" and "in" are two completely different prepositions with clearly different meanings. I've been over all the rulings, and there's nothing there that contradicts the clear meaning of "in the box."
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8 minutes ago, IHAVEGAS said:
A ruling makes debate moot. We do not have to agree but it is what it is.
Show me the money! I mean ruling.
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28 minutes ago, JAFO said:
The reality is that, despite your obvious disagreement, NROI determined a while ago (for reasons not everyone agrees with or understands) that one foot in/one foot out is OK for the purposes of a start position. I think the original discussion centered around one foot being inside the shooting area when the WSB said "Starting outside the shooting area." But it has been applied in the reverse, as it is here. I can't remember where it was published. Perhaps in Front Sight, since it's not listed in the Rulings. I didn't agree with it then, and I still don't. But those who read it will use it to take advantage of loosely written WSBs.
Actually this makes perfect sense to me. It is frequently referred to as, "if you're not IN, then you're OUT." And it further goes on to support my contention that "in the box" is a fully accepted condition with little to no variation in compliance. However, I don't see it being argued in reverse successfully.
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We've really gotten into the weeds here. As it pertains to the specific question and situation described by OP, there is no butt-hurt, and there is no need for a better written stage briefing. Maybe not using a start box would have eliminated the incident altogether, but it shouldn't have mattered. The OP/RO clearly handled it correctly, no further discussion needed.
The crux of the issue is whether or not you think that "in the box" can mean something other than what the reasonable population of shooters believes it to mean. And if you do think that it and "everything" is open to interpretation, then I believe YOU are a big part of this problem.
If an instruction is clearly stated and understood by all reasonable shooters (even the clever ones), and then you allow yourself to be bullied into some bulls#!t way of redefining it, then YOU should not be an RO. Or worse yet, if you are the one selling your BS to the RO, then shame on you for being a wannabe cheater. You'd get more mileage out of improving your shooting skills and keeping your head in the game.
I don't like this kind of behavior, much like I don't approve of sandbagging at trophy matches. It seems to me that our community needs to take every opportunity to discourage it.
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34 minutes ago, IHAVEGAS said:
... if it is prohibited then the r.o. tells you not to do it or you pick up the penalty...
I think we're just disagreeing on semantics. It's all gaming to me, and I too game. But what you said above indicates that sometimes you can remove yourself from assessing whether or not you are doing right or wrong (for lack of better terms). You are relying on the RO to call you out. Maybe that's fine at nationals, but anywhere else, I think the shooter has more responsibility to govern his own degree of ridiculousness for gaming. So, just curious, do you think that "Standing in the box..." allows for touching a foot outside the box?
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1 hour ago, IHAVEGAS said:
To me those words do not belong together. I love to find what seems to be the most efficient way to shoot a stage but hope never to be unscrupulous, I don't think that is an unusual approach to our sport.
Really? You can't discern shades of gray for gaming behavior? The most extreme of which might be called outright cheating by some. I was trying to stop short of that in this case.
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8 minutes ago, IHAVEGAS said:
A shooting box defines a legal shooting area and a start box defines a starting position that may or may not be within a legal shooting area, seems pretty apples and oranges.
It really doesn't matter, because the "rule" was stipulated on the WSB, "standing in box...". It's only the most unscrupulous gamer that would try to touch a foot outside the box and claim it should be allowed. I hope that person has a fit and loses their mental game and shoots a crap stage; they deserve it.
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36 minutes ago, broadside72 said:
However, the one foot establishing a presence as mentioned in 10.2.1 looks to be related to a "new" shooting area, not stepping back into the same one you came out of (applies to traversing between separate shooting areas/boxes), so I am not sure if it can be applied to either side of this argument unless the starting box is a separate and defined shooting area.
"heels/toes on X's/marks" would have been a much simpler and smarter process.1. There's a lot of assumptions to be made about this line, which is why it's poorly worded. Another one is that the other foot (not in the box) is up in the air, and I'm sure definitely not touching anywhere outside the box.
2. For sure on the heels/toes/marks etc.
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1 hour ago, IHAVEGAS said:
There is no reason that I know of to assume that the two different things would be subject to the same rules.
If you can shoot from a start box, is it not also a shooting box?
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Just found this and wanted to chime in. "Standing in the box" should be all the specificity needed. Adding the word "fully" or "wholly" does nothing to improve the meaning or clarity.
While the rules do not specifically describe start boxes, they do cover shooting boxes with 2.2.1.x and 10.2.1, and especially apply if shooting is allowed from the start box. The relevant part being, "while any part of their body is touching the ground or while stepping on an object beyond a Shooting Box or a Fault Line," which indicates a fault. So, you may touch IT, but not the ground outside of it nor anything else outside of it. This should be clear to everyone.
The other part of 10.2.1 being used to make an argument, "until the competitor establishes a presence in a new shooting area with at least one foot on the ground inside the shooting area," is only relevant after a fault has occurred. So it really doesn't apply in this case, but it is poorly worded.
If the RM/MD was called during your discussion, he would have ruled it a violation as you did. The shooter's contact via text message after-the-fact did not describe the situation sufficiently.
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Good to hear. I got help to do the bolt mod and the feed ramp, and mine also runs great now. Your pics were a big help, so thanks.
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On January 14, 2017 at 3:33 PM, gdcguns said:
... So I'm gonna test the qc10 bolt in my gun. If it runs, I'm gonna chop it just like you did. You can see difference in the pic. The qc10 is on the left.
Wondering how your test of the QC10 bcg went, if you modified yours, and how it runs now. I too am having chronic feeding problems with NFA bcg, lower & upper. Thanks.
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I appreciate the good ideas; I'm sure one will fix me up. Thanks.
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I would like to "black out" the rear fiber optic sight on a couple of my guns. Is black fiber optic rod available somewhere, or do you have a different suggestion? Thanks.
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Hello, can you tell me your part number for the replacement fiber optic front sight that's .100" wide and is made to match the factory original adjustable rear sight. Thanks.
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If you order from Dawson, its listed as the Springfield/Dan Wesson cut. Bought a .100 wide for my PM-9 and it fit perfectly. It close to a Novak, but not 100% exact. I have not heard of the height being incorrect. I would shoot it and see, then order the same height if its acceptable.
(I need to hurry and get the money to buy one of these before they all dry up!)
The PM9 looks like it has the same cut-in bomar rear sight. Do you remember the height of the front sight you bought? Thanks.
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Just found and ordered a couple of Dan Wesson Pointman 7's in .40 and getting them set up for USPSA single stack. This is not a well known gun with clear specific information out there. It's got some cool upgrades from the factory not found on production single stacks, like a cut-in bomar-looking rear sight. I'm deciding on a front sight replacement from Dawson. But I read in an online review that the factory front sight may not be the right height.
Has anyone dealt with sights on a PM7? What style or size is the dovetail? What height is recommend for the front?
Thanks.
(PS, from the pics, the sights look a lot like my Edge)
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Hello, I would like a very specific answer to a very specific question. You offer the following product...
002-033 • Basepad For 1911 Tripp Cobra Magazines No Gap, Black
...so that Tripp mags will seat properly with the DP 1911 Ice Magwell. However, Tripp offers both a welded base and a removable base on their mags. The removable base easily slides off to clean the inside of the body (just like on a wide body 2011 mag). So, my question is...
Is your basepad, 002-033, designed as a replacement for the Tripp removable basepad and continue to be locked and unlocked and easily removable like the original?
Or, is your basepad simply designed to clip on a mag with a welded bottom?
Thanks.
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LeBeau, that will make two, drinking beer and flippers; being an expert at, that is. I don't think that the flippers at the nats were so mysterious. The ones that went wild were caught by the wind. Without the wind, it all went well and consistent.
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At the RM3G '07 in Raton, some stages had mini IPSC paper targets, maybe 1/2 or a little less the standard size. Anyone have contact info for whoever makes these little targets. They were a lot of fun to shoot.
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