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On 5/11/2022 at 10:38 AM, matteekay said:
What kind of reliability issues?
During the 150 round quoted break-in period I had approximately 15% FTFs. No stovepipes, just pure FTFs. The barrel also has the same amount of wear from the slide after 150 rounds, if not more, as does my Glock 19.4 with approximately 3K rounds through it. The frequency of FTFs was the same across 2 different types of ammo and did not improve as I went towards the tail-end of the break-in period. This is reasonably high-quality ammo too, a mix of Fiocchi and American Eagle. All using their preferred Magpul pmag that came with the gun. Although not an expert shooter by any means, I've shot a couple local matches for fun and dry-fire regularly. I'm not one to immediately blame my equipment and double-checked my grip to make sure I'm not limp-wristing it or otherwise inducing malfunctions. The gun was also cleaned and oiled before I took it out for the break-in process.
SS quotes on their break-in period video on their Youtube channel that really the gun should be broken in a couple of mags in, which is like 30-45 rounds, and should maybe have 1-2 malfunctions due to their "tight tolerances." After calling their customer service, they said up to a 5% malfunction rate during the break-in period is within spec. Even after being at triple that, 2 weeks after initiating contact with their CS, I still have yet to even receive a shipping label to get it sent back in for eval.
I went to my 2 largest local gun stores, and they said my experience although not common, is what they've experienced before. They have great designs and can make good guns. There are just a fair number of lemons. Both stores have had to send back multiple guns. And their CS is known for being slow and unresponsive. And the turn-around time for service is on the order of weeks. From this information, it seems like even if they get the shipping label to me Monday, is that I'll probably get the gun back maybe in a month. 6 weeks+ turnaround time to fix a gun that I currently can't trust to carry or use in competition is bad. The lack of follow-through per their CS in conjunction with that is in my mind unacceptable. If another issue arises, I just don't have the confidence they'll take care of me and live up to what they promise on their website and social media.
If you google "reddit malfunction shadow systems" or "failure to feed" you'll see quite a few posts and threads with people having the same issues whether it's with their DR920s, MR920s, or even their newly released CR920.
At this point, I'm just completely soured on the brand and the gun no longer brings me any joy. I just want to send it back for a refund and to wait for the Walther PDP SD Pro to come out.
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On 5/9/2022 at 4:02 AM, lgh said:
If it weren't more expensive, I'd get a Gen 5 with a grip reduction (Ben Simonson at Boresight Solutions) and milled slide. RDS of choice. For carry, suppressor sights +/- RMR. The Gen 5 trigger on my 43x is just fine for me. I really wish SS would do something with their trigger. It's 2022 and there is no reason to have such a mushy trigger, even on a Glock.
My trigger broke in reasonably well after dry-firing a ton. There's still stacking before the break but it's much crispier and has cleaned up significantly.
My main issue is the grip size is too small--I've got large hands and there's not a lot of room for my support hand. I've also had a ton of reliability issues and the customer service has been not great.
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Shoot it off a rest, and with very little squeeze with either hand. You're just trying to verify accuracy, no need to grip the gun hard with either hand. Focus on a straight back trigger pull starting off with very little force, then slightly ramping it up 1lb, 2lb, 3lb, until the trigger goes off and surprises you.
Any deviation at that point is probably the sights.
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Competed with a Shadow 2 and carried a Glock 19.4 I modified per Frank Proctor's specs. Just got a Shadow Systems MR920 Elite I was planning on switching it out with but having some reliability issues I'm hoping to sort out with them soon.
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4 hours ago, fbzero said:
Plenty of people do well with the P320's, so I wouldn't say that it's going to hold anyone back, especially if you are fairly new. That said, I have a Shadow 2 that I'll be transitioning to in the near future and find myself wondering why you aren't considering just getting that milled for CO instead of selling it and changing platforms. I could be wrong, but a think a lot of people would agree that between the two it's the higher quality option...and you already have it.Total cost I think would technically be more to stick with the CZ. Milling at CGW is $160/$415, not including shipping, etc. From browsing the classifieds I feel like I could probably get ~$1,000 for it? X-5s are running $900-1000 locally, so I'm already saving nearly $200 to put towards an optic.
I also feel like Sig is a more future-proof platform, with its FCU design, and I think a better optic mounting solution vs direct milling. I've also heard people are moving away from full 5" guns to 4-4.5" slides in CO due to the better balance. Shadow 2 is incredibly front-heavy.
I know it really doesn't matter and the answer is just to get good, so I may end up changing my mind. I also asked The HumbleMarksman and he gave the same advice. Highest-ranked shooter whose brain I've been able to pick about it. I appreciate y'alls thoughts. -
Would these accuracy issues prevent y'all from recommending the X-5 Legion as a production/CO gun for a newbie? I've got a CZ Shadow 2 and G19.4 I was looking at trading in/selling and get seriously into CO/production and was looking for the best value/future-proof platform. I was debating between Canik Rival and the X5 Legion, with the X5 being the favorite but this thread is news to me.
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SS Trigger is mildly better than a stock Glock. I think still inadequate for competition, but adequate for carry. My Glock trigger I customized per Frank Proctor from WOTG has a great pull I'd consider reasonable.
My main issue is QC seems to be a problem. I just got an MR920 and put it through the 150 round break-in today. My barrel is scratched to hell (either a finish issue or there are some burrs in the slide somewhere) and had 15-20 FTFs using Fiocchi 115gr. May have just gotten a lemon but extremely disappointed in my experience thus far.
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New shooter, long-time lurker, first-time poster. Hoping to get into CO and Production and raise my game up. Already got Skills & Drills, Practical Pistol, and Dryfire Reloaded loaded up as well as Practical Shooting Training on my reading list. If anyone has any other recommendations that'd be great! Thanks. Living in the PNW right now but about to move to Miami.
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Thanks man. Finally had to call again and got a return label. They also told me straight up they don't do refunds for any reason. Disappointing to say the least. I feel like there are so little protections in the gun industry if you get a lemon, given the distant relationship between manufacturer, dealer, FFL, etc.
I hope I can at least sell it and recoup a fair amount.