fastarget Posted December 23, 2009 Share Posted December 23, 2009 so I am still hunting for a 40, now looking at a sig xfive but noticed on the DP site and Brazos limited run of enhanced chrome eagle or edge models...................mags are available for both, accuracy is good for both brands......... I would like to know real world experiences, durability , longevity....etc. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Merlin Orr Posted December 23, 2009 Share Posted December 23, 2009 Simple. Get the STI gun. Better game gun in every regard. Look at what others are shooting and you will see...... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fastarget Posted December 23, 2009 Author Share Posted December 23, 2009 Would you please elaborate Merlin, what does one do that is better than the other, and will it need more tuning? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
XRe Posted December 23, 2009 Share Posted December 23, 2009 The Sig is a nice gun for Limited 10, but is not competitive in Limited (due primarily to capacity). In my hands, the S_I is faster/better for L10 - Sig ergonomics and I don't get along for starters, but the higher barrel position on the X-Five vs. the S_I causes more apparent muzzle flip for me, as well. The X-Five will also be more limited in terms of holster selection, etc. Basically, you're shooting CR Speed or Kydex (not bad options, but you may want more options overall...). And, you're going to have a hard time finding replacement sights and the like in order to set the gun up to work best for you. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fastarget Posted December 23, 2009 Author Share Posted December 23, 2009 Great info thank you, a big learning curve.................. OK, so the next question is this, are the two models I am looking at eagle or edge, one better than the other? http://www.dawsonprecision.com/CategoryPro...hanced+Firearms this limited run seems well thought out, with dawson enhancements "kind of ready to race", I think the edge is also available from Brazos. what else would these need tuning wise to make them run? which seller will have theirs better prepared. Hopefully I am not offending anyone, but I am in the curve for uspsa and ipsc, my idpa experience is if no help in this selection. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
al503 Posted December 23, 2009 Share Posted December 23, 2009 this limited run seems well thought out, with dawson enhancements "kind of ready to race", I think the edge is also available from Brazos. what else would these need tuning wise to make them run? which seller will have theirs better prepared. Hopefully I am not offending anyone, but I am in the curve for uspsa and ipsc, my idpa experience is if no help in this selection. I don't think you can go wrong with either brazos or dawson. The supertuned pistols are good to go out of the box and they shouldn't need any tuning to work (with proper ammo) out of the box. If you shoot both IDPA and USPSA, I'd probably lean you towards the eagle with the bushing bbl. If it's just for USPSA, I'd lean you towards the Edge. If you do get the eagle, you might want to get a tungsten guiderod (in addition to the stock steel) fitted to the gun. Its all a preference thing but with a bushing bbl and short dustcover, it can get a little snappy without a little extra weight in the front. If you can come up with the extra $400 to get Brazos' semi custom limited gun, that would get my vote hands down. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fastarget Posted December 23, 2009 Author Share Posted December 23, 2009 If you can come up with the extra $400 to get Brazos' semi custom limited gun, that would get my vote hands down. How much more do you get with that? different parts etc? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Larry White Posted December 23, 2009 Share Posted December 23, 2009 If IDPA is in the mix forget the Edge, long dust cover makes it not leagal, also be sure to order the bushing barrel, bull barrel is a no go for IDPA. The Dawson guns are pretty well prepared and ready to shoot. You can play IDPA and L10 with the same mags, you will need 5 or 6 for L10. Later if you want to shoot limited you will want 3 140 mags. The sig is a good gun, its just not a game gun. The STI is ready to race.-----------Larry Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
xsniper Posted December 23, 2009 Share Posted December 23, 2009 I love the Edge package I got from Brazo's. It was everthing I was hoping for. I think you will be pleased. But remember what was said earlier about IDPA. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fastarget Posted December 23, 2009 Author Share Posted December 23, 2009 Larry, Thanks for the info....Well, I would like something different, we have our idpa toys already in m&p9 and 45 1911. So a little variety, something fun to play with in a different game. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
al503 Posted December 23, 2009 Share Posted December 23, 2009 How much more do you get with that? different parts etc? Off the top of my head, Bob puts in Wilson ambis, his ejector, extractor and slide stop, flat tops the slide and does his lightening holes on the sides. The slide to frame is fit to within .001" I'm sure there's probably some other things I'm forgetting. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fastarget Posted December 23, 2009 Author Share Posted December 23, 2009 xsniper, what did you get in your package? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
G-ManBart Posted December 23, 2009 Share Posted December 23, 2009 If you can come up with the extra $400 to get Brazos' semi custom limited gun, that would get my vote hands down.How much more do you get with that? different parts etc? Yes, some better parts and almost defintely a little bit better fitting (most STI's are pretty well fit from the factory, but not quite up to what a top smith will normally turn out). The bigger problem is that you'll have to wait longer to get one....not sure what his delivery time is now, but it's still got to be several months...and it could be six. R, Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
al503 Posted December 23, 2009 Share Posted December 23, 2009 The bigger problem is that you'll have to wait longer to get one....not sure what his delivery time is now, but it's still got to be several months...and it could be six. R, Bob's wait times have gotten a lot better and there is a good chance that he may have an SC or two in stock. Bob spent a lot of $ buying new equipment this last year or so to help him catch up with the back log. I'd give him a call. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Larry White Posted December 23, 2009 Share Posted December 23, 2009 If you can come up with the extra $400 to get Brazos' semi custom limited gun, that would get my vote hands down.How much more do you get with that? different parts etc? Yes, some better parts and almost defintely a little bit better fitting (most STI's are pretty well fit from the factory, but not quite up to what a top smith will normally turn out). The bigger problem is that you'll have to wait longer to get one....not sure what his delivery time is now, but it's still got to be several months...and it could be six. R, And Benny Hill can build exactly what you want in 14 to 16 weeks.---------Larry Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Merlin Orr Posted December 23, 2009 Share Posted December 23, 2009 (edited) Would you please elaborate Merlin, what does one do that is better than the other, and will it need more tuning? What Dave has said in post # 4 are my thoughts in a nutshell. The Sig is a nice gun for Limited 10, but is not competitive in Limited (due primarily to capacity). In my hands, the S_I is faster/better for L10 - Sig ergonomics and I don't get along for starters, but the higher barrel position on the X-Five vs. the S_I causes more apparent muzzle flip for me, as well. The X-Five will also be more limited in terms of holster selection, etc. Basically, you're shooting CR Speed or Kydex (not bad options, but you may want more options overall...). And, you're going to have a hard time finding replacement sights and the like in order to set the gun up to work best for you. Edited December 23, 2009 by Merlin Orr Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
XRe Posted December 23, 2009 Share Posted December 23, 2009 Off the top of my head, Bob puts in Wilson ambis, his ejector, extractor and slide stop, flat tops the slide and does his lightening holes on the sides. The slide to frame is fit to within .001" I'm sure there's probably some other things I'm forgetting. How about chrome, trigger job to a crisp 2.5#, Bigmouth magwell, Cyclone mag button, Brazos Micro-Dot front sight... It's a significant upgrade from the Edge... Of course, if IDPA is a concern, you can't have the lightening cuts, and you have to use a smaller mag well (usually, STI w/ the sides shaved down) to fit the IDPA box. I would imagine one could be built without lightening holes, if you needed it that way. If you're not going to shoot IDPA with the gun, the lightening holes make a big difference in the recoil profile of the gun, and it would be good to keep them! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fastarget Posted December 23, 2009 Author Share Posted December 23, 2009 Great info Gents, and a most excellent discussion. I appreciate it. this narrows my x-mas shopping a bunch... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
al503 Posted December 23, 2009 Share Posted December 23, 2009 (edited) Off the top of my head, Bob puts in Wilson ambis, his ejector, extractor and slide stop, flat tops the slide and does his lightening holes on the sides. The slide to frame is fit to within .001" I'm sure there's probably some other things I'm forgetting. How about chrome, trigger job to a crisp 2.5#, Bigmouth magwell, Cyclone mag button, Brazos Micro-Dot front sight... It's a significant upgrade from the Edge... We started off with the supertuned edge (not stock) which has all that stuff (not sure whether the pull is 3lbs for the edge or 2.5) and this is strictly for USPSA/IPSC. You just gotta read, mang. Edited December 23, 2009 by al503 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
STIGUY Posted December 23, 2009 Share Posted December 23, 2009 Off the top of my head, Bob puts in Wilson ambis, his ejector, extractor and slide stop, flat tops the slide and does his lightening holes on the sides. The slide to frame is fit to within .001" I'm sure there's probably some other things I'm forgetting. How about chrome, trigger job to a crisp 2.5#, Bigmouth magwell, Cyclone mag button, Brazos Micro-Dot front sight... It's a significant upgrade from the Edge... Of course, if IDPA is a concern, you can't have the lightening cuts, and you have to use a smaller mag well (usually, STI w/ the sides shaved down) to fit the IDPA box. I would imagine one could be built without lightening holes, if you needed it that way. If you're not going to shoot IDPA with the gun, the lightening holes make a big difference in the recoil profile of the gun, and it would be good to keep them! I bought a used STI Edge on here and I think it was probably somebody trying to replicate the Brazos package. I think Brazos' guns are indicated as such on the slide based on the e-mail I received from the proprieter. I am not going to state that I was mislead, but I probably overpaid for a used gun. Nonetheless, I would probably get something different than a Bigmouth magwell....maybe a Cape (looks cool)....not sure if it would "fit" in the box though...anyway. Additionally, even my small hands do not fit very well do to the profile of the well. Nonetheless, I would still suggest look for a "used" gun on here.....just be a little more cautious and do some research regarding the costs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bulm540 Posted December 25, 2009 Share Posted December 25, 2009 Or better yet get Benny Hill to build you a 6 IN FAT FREE LIMITED GUN. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fastarget Posted December 25, 2009 Author Share Posted December 25, 2009 Just was browning triangle"(Benny's site), some neat looking stuff, but not really detailed . What does a fat free cost for comparison? I was also told to look into Wayne Bergquist, but I have not search enough yet for any info. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bulm540 Posted December 25, 2009 Share Posted December 25, 2009 (edited) You really need to call him and discuss what you want. Edited December 25, 2009 by bulm540 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
big_kahuna Posted December 25, 2009 Share Posted December 25, 2009 Or better yet get Benny Hill to build you a 6 IN FAT FREE LIMITED GUN. My son LOVES his Benny blaster. Great gun. 35 thousand rounds through it in a year with NO PROBLEMS. Accurate. Reliable. Beautiful. And Larry White did the awesome grip stippling that my son raves about. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CocoBolo Posted December 25, 2009 Share Posted December 25, 2009 Here is a video of a "C" class shooter running a FatFree http://www.sashooter.com/gallery/main.php?g2_itemId=579 just click on download movie. That was a 72% run (3 GM's Open and 5 masters in the match). Notice how flat it shoots, he was running 40 major with SWC's big holes in the target. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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