The_Vigilante Posted December 22, 2009 Share Posted December 22, 2009 So today I go to the range to try some new reloads for IDPA/USPSA. I take my relatively new XDM .40 which I have been shooting in IDPA and my CZ Standard IPSC .40 which I wish I could shoot in IDPA. With all of the reloads I shot dead on with the CZ-last ten shots were all head shots at 30'. Wish I could say the same for the XDM!!! I never once was able to shoot a decent group and most of the shots were low/left-had me shaking my head wondering what was going on. I do like the sights on the CZ a lot better-using the stock adjustable sights. However don't know if that would account for me shooting better with the CZ. I took my time shooting both but the results weren't the same. The trigger on the CZ is also better than the XDM--a 1 1/2 to 2 lb pull vs a 4-5lb pull on the XDM which has not had a trigger job yet. Would this be a factor in me shooting the CZ better? Looking for answers-any help? Thanks Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NOSAJ19 Posted December 25, 2009 Share Posted December 25, 2009 At close range, out to @ 15m, I'm pretty consistent with any & all handguns at speed for accuracy. I can shoot a decent group at @ 25m with most all handgun's too, things being equal. However some guns require considerably more effort on my technique to shoot well. Try shooting a SA/DA gun in SA on a target @ 10-15m. Then repeat the exercise in DA. Compare the results. You can achieve good accuracy in both SA & DA, DA IMO needs more attention. Hence CZ TS (SA) is easier to group shoot than XDM (DA). Cheers, Ando. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DougCarden Posted December 25, 2009 Share Posted December 25, 2009 I would bet it is all trigger. The XD or XDM is nasty until you get a trigger job, compared to your CZ. If you have a buddy that has a Canyon Creek or Springer trigger job check that out, you will be sufficiently surprised, and then it may be a toss up which one you like better....LOL Merry Christmas, DougC Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CocoBolo Posted December 25, 2009 Share Posted December 25, 2009 To Quote Gray Guns - Zen and the Art of Hitting Things, If your blaming the sights your praying to a false idol. I've shot the IPSC and CZ TS the TS has more weight forward than the IPSC and shoots fast better in my opinion, they are both great guns. I won an XD in a steel match, it was accurate enough but I sold it, the trigger pull was a lot like the pull on my Dillon 650. Trigger control. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The_Vigilante Posted December 25, 2009 Author Share Posted December 25, 2009 I went out to the range yesterday with a "better" shooter than myself and he shot both pistols @ 25yds. Found nothing wrong with either one-apparently I am "anticipating" the recoil resulting in shots low and to the left. I do better with the CZ IPSC and that is a result of the better trigger. I will be sending the XDm to Springer Precision for a trigger job and new sights very soon and will report on the results. Meanwhile I need lots of dryfire. Thanks for your comments. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Merlin Orr Posted December 25, 2009 Share Posted December 25, 2009 Low left is "usually" the result of milking the gun (not isolating the trigger finger and squeezing with all the fingers during the trigger pull) or improper position of the trigger finger during the pull (pushing the trigger sideways during the pulling.) Probably squeezing the grip to hard with your strong hand. .02 from me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The_Vigilante Posted December 25, 2009 Author Share Posted December 25, 2009 Merlin, Thanks for your input. Will certainly take account of it on my next trip to the range. I do have a tendency to squeeze the grip too hard. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
megathumpzilla Posted December 30, 2009 Share Posted December 30, 2009 I've found the trigger on an XD to have a lot of over travel, and it is very hard for me to feel the shot break. I've only put a few rounds through them at the range in a "here try this" situation. I'm not sure how it would be once I learned the trigger, but the overtravel pulls me low left if there is any slop in my grip at all. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LPatterson Posted December 30, 2009 Share Posted December 30, 2009 Bench the gun to get as much of you out of the gun as possible. Even better would be for you to aim the gun and have a friend pull the trigger so you won't have the recoil anticapation. Discuss with Scott what you want to do with the gun as he has several trigger options. I love the Comp trigger in my XD9 and the carry trigger in the XD45. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Z-man Posted December 30, 2009 Share Posted December 30, 2009 Check out Powder River Precision for a really great trigger on the XDM. Shot one of his XDM's a while back and the trigger was creep free 2lbs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
benos Posted December 30, 2009 Share Posted December 30, 2009 Merlin, Thanks for your input. Will certainly take account of it on my next trip to the range. I do have a tendency to squeeze the grip too hard. The negative results of that will show up more with a light gun/heavy trigger pull. be Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paladin Posted January 3, 2010 Share Posted January 3, 2010 the cz is 'covering' up for you whilst the XD is less forgiving...and nothing is wrong with that but if you want to press forward then you know what you must do.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kitestir Posted January 3, 2010 Share Posted January 3, 2010 I have the same issue. I have a IPSC ST and a TS as well as numerous other guns. I tend to shoot low left if I do not really concentrate when shooting say my P226. The TS/IPSC shoots better for me because of the much shorter and better trigger pull and the added weight/length of the gun. It help mask my bad habit of flinching/anticipating the recoil... The funny thing is when I have shot the 226 in production a couple of times it is not as noticeable as when I am shooting at paper..... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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