Mystery Gun?

[Duane Thomas]

Can anyone identify this gun?

[slobberbone]

Kel-Tec's .22 Mag auto loader

[GlockSpeed31]

Kel-Tec's .22 Mag auto loader

Yep, Kel-Tec's revised version of the Grendel P-30. 30 rds of .22 magnum. Should be out sometime next year.

http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/2009/11...-pmr-30-pistol/

[Duane Thomas]

Thanks, guys. The Enosverse Group Mind strikes again!

I guess Kel-Tec wants to grab a chunk of that red hot .22 Magnum auto pistol market.

[Carlos]

On one hand, the old 30 shot 22 magnum Grendel FAILED, as far as marketing goes, back when it was made. Obviously, Kel Tec are idiots and their gun will fail too, right?

OTOH, many folks have realized that FN's 5.7 pistol (which is a huge sales success - and controversial) really only matches the balistics of the 22 Magnum from a handgun AND the exotic 5.7 requires the use of expensive centerfire ammo, though it does use a 20 round magazine. I guess people buy it for the mystique or maybe due to some movie or video game.

Kel Tec's gun would appear to match the 5.7s performance with less expensive 22 magnum ammo. AND, just like the 5.7. it appears to use a slide made out of plastic, along with the plastic frame. Might not be such a bad idea this time around. Further, it is beyond my why almost all the makers of .22 handguns feel the NEED to limit mag capacity to only 10 rounds. WTH? 30 rounds of 22 would be fine by me.

Personaly, I have no use for either a 5.7 or a Kel Tec since my shooting interest is in USPSA & IDPA mostly.

Edited December 10, 2009 by Carlos

[iainmcphersn]

This is an Oleg Volk photo and he has several more of the gun (and various models) at his photo blog.

[cas]

The "ghetto" 5.7?

Edited December 16, 2009 by cas

[J-Ho]

Further, it is beyond my why almost all the makers of .22 handguns feel the NEED to limit mag capacity to only 10 rounds. WTH? 30 rounds of 22 would be fine by me.

Now if this were a 22lr with 30 rounds, I'd be all over it. that would be a blast. I too have never understood why there are no 22lr pistol with more than 10 rounds.

[belus]

Now if this were a 22lr with 30 rounds, I'd be all over it. that would be a blast. I too have never understood why there are no 22lr pistol with more than 10 rounds.

Same here.

But in 22 mag? No thanks, I don't need an expensive non-re loadable rimfire.

[JeffWard]

If you desire peace, prepare for war.

How's my Latin?

Jeff

[abn-rgr]

If you desire peace, prepare for war.

How's my Latin?

Jeff

Not bad at all.

[Duane Thomas]

It's the old Latin maxim from which the 9mm Parabellum got its name.

Of course, for this photo to be really perfect, the gun she's holding should be a 9mm, not a .22 Magnum.

[Carlos]

Now if this were a 22lr with 30 rounds, I'd be all over it. that would be a blast. I too have never understood why there are no 22lr pistol with more than 10 rounds.

Same here.

But in 22 mag? No thanks, I don't need an expensive non-re loadable rimfire.

Just think: w/ 30 round mags for your favorite .22 LR steel challenge guns, you could practice SIX runs without reloading (as long as you don't miss). Uninterupted focus on hits. And legal (for now). But the only 30 round mag for any 22 pistol is that weird new 10/22 pistol Ruger makes (not suitable for steel).

As is, you have to stop to reload every other run with these 10 rounders.

[J-Ho]

Now if this were a 22lr with 30 rounds, I'd be all over it. that would be a blast. I too have never understood why there are no 22lr pistol with more than 10 rounds.

Same here.

But in 22 mag? No thanks, I don't need an expensive non-re loadable rimfire.

Just think: w/ 30 round mags for your favorite .22 LR steel challenge guns, you could practice SIX runs without reloading (as long as you don't miss). Uninterupted focus on hits. And legal (for now). But the only 30 round mag for any 22 pistol is that weird new 10/22 pistol Ruger makes (not suitable for steel).

As is, you have to stop to reload every other run with these 10 rounders.

It is hard to believe someone hasn't jumped on this. Not only from the sport aspect but from a plinking aspect as well. emptying a big mag of 22lr is FUN.

[AriM]

22 mag is an interesting load.....but i seem to remember another 22mag auto pistol....AMT auto mag 2.....miserable failure of engineering....super accurate, good feel.....no reliability....too bad....I think there is great potential in the 22mag

Edited December 18, 2009 by AriM

[Joe4d]

Any body seen one yet ? They are listed on the websight but not on gunbroker or anywhere else, I am gonna be all over it if I can find one, I was contemplating a S&W 617 magnum conversion, dont know how it would work, I like the magnum round but the only lightweight handgun I can find are 2" and less barrels which dont seem to stabilize the bullets well. I am basically looking at it as a back country kit gun, at 13 oz with a 4 inch barrel. seems intriguing if it will run.

[Team Amish 1]

If you desire peace, prepare for war.

How's my Latin?

Jeff

Not bad at all.

And remember. Semper ubi sub ubi!

[Team Amish 1]

It's the old Latin maxim from which the 9mm Parabellum got its name.

Of course, for this photo to be really perfect, the gun she's holding should be a 9mm, not a .22 Magnum.

...unless the gun is made for a 9x19 which, as we all know is not quite as powerful as a Parabellum and only slightly more accurate than a Luger.

Edited June 11, 2010 by Team Amish 1

[GrumpyOne]

It's the old Latin maxim from which the 9mm Parabellum got its name.

Of course, for this photo to be really perfect, the gun she's holding should be a 9mm, not a .22 Magnum.

...unless the gun is made for a 9x19 which, as we all know is not quite as powerful as a Parabellum and only slightly more accurate than a Luger.

[mpeltier]

Further, it is beyond my why almost all the makers of .22 handguns feel the NEED to limit mag capacity to only 10 rounds. WTH? 30 rounds of 22 would be fine by me.

Now if this were a 22lr with 30 rounds, I'd be all over it. that would be a blast. I too have never understood why there are no 22lr pistol with more than 10 rounds.

Probably has to do with getting that rimmed rimfire cartridge to move thru the magazine reliably. It works good in high cap rotary (Ruger) mags. I have not seen many other high cap rifle mags except for 10//22 come to think of it.

I kinda feel Kel-Tek is to firearms what Hundai is to automotive. It will be curious to see if this pistol is reliable.

[open17]

Now if this were a 22lr with 30 rounds, I'd be all over it. that would be a blast. I too have never understood why there are no 22lr pistol with more than 10 rounds.

Calico? Had one for a while. 100 rds of 22 LR takes a while--both to load and shoot.

Neat gun. If I had a pile-o-money a 9mm calico with an auto sear would be on the shopping

list.

[benos]

Now if this were a 22lr with 30 rounds, I'd be all over it. that would be a blast. I too have never understood why there are no 22lr pistol with more than 10 rounds.

Calico? Had one for a while. 100 rds of 22 LR takes a while--both to load and shoot.

Neat gun. If I had a pile-o-money a 9mm calico with an auto sear would be on the shopping

list.

I have a 9mm Calico that I won a Second Chance a LONG time ago. Never fired it. But if I had an auto sear...

be

[Flexmoney]

Shoot that tool !!!