38supPat Posted October 12, 2001 Share Posted October 12, 2001 Count! Pat Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
talon Posted October 12, 2001 Share Posted October 12, 2001 Ah I see but seriously do you actually count 1.2.3.4.5 when you are trying for sub 2's or do you some how "feel" the number of shots ? Quote: from Pat Harrison on 12:18 pm on Oct. 12, 2001 Count! Pat Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dani Posted October 12, 2001 Share Posted October 12, 2001 I don't count, I just put only 6 rounds in the magazine. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
38supPat Posted October 12, 2001 Share Posted October 12, 2001 Seriously its done at a subconscious level, I know I only have to pull it 5 times so I do...your subconscious can do functions like this much faster than you think, if you turn yourself over to it. Next time you are at the range try this, its like the progression drill (which will work too) but simpler. On the beep draw and fire one into the back stop as fast as you can. Now reset and on the next beep draw and fire two into the backstop as fast as you can, reset and repeat with three shots and so on. If you screw up and lose count (fire too many or not enough) start again. See how fast you can pull the trigger and maintain count. Pat Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
benos Posted October 12, 2001 Share Posted October 12, 2001 Pat, I like that. be Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
38supPat Posted October 12, 2001 Share Posted October 12, 2001 BE: thanks! Dani: but don't you count the six rounds when you load them? Pat Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mike4045 Posted October 13, 2001 Share Posted October 13, 2001 Do it enough that is feels like your in slow motion. you should be able to do it without rushing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
talon Posted October 13, 2001 Share Posted October 13, 2001 Pat, excellent idea. I all ready practice 1 for draw time and 2 for draw and accelerated pair time. ( I never say double tap ) so I'll grab me a partner and have him yell a number between 3 and 6 and see if I can learn those feels. Our local IDPA club has been specifying anywhere from 2 to 6 shots per target in order to break the 2 shot per target mentality. Does USPSA do this kind of thing also ? I guess I'm getting off the actual topic here so I'll make this my last question on this thread, at least until I can brag about a sub 2 bill drill. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve Moneypenny Posted October 13, 2001 Share Posted October 13, 2001 talon, you just said "double tap" :-) you guys are going to make me try this ammo eating drill yet! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
talon Posted October 15, 2001 Share Posted October 15, 2001 smoney, I guess I'll go down 2 times on this one because I said last time on this thread but you made me laugh too hard not to respond. ( course I really only typed it) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve Moneypenny Posted October 31, 2001 Share Posted October 31, 2001 finally took the chance to shoot it, on a USPSA target with my beretta elite 2 i was making 2.38 rather routinely from an IDPA rig.... thats with a pretty slow draw time, and .16/7/8 splits haven't tried it with my limited gun yet. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dani Posted November 2, 2001 Share Posted November 2, 2001 Pat. I don't count, i just feel the "awarness" from the "inputs" receved when the magazine is "floting" in front of me, of course after "visualize" it!!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ASTIG Posted November 18, 2001 Share Posted November 18, 2001 could someone make a comment on this. it was my first time to try the bill drill this afternoon. the first time i shot it, i had a 3.03 until i got it down consistently to 2.04 dropping none. twas a fun filled afternoon for me doing the drills described in the forums. going back to the bill drill, my first shot (+ reaction time) was 1.16 with splits of .18sec with the 5th shot going at .16. now, the 1.16 raction time, draw and shoot, was it slow in comparison to the better ones out there? the splits of .18 on average, on call, was it good enough? other questions to be posted at other posts Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flexmoney Posted November 19, 2001 Share Posted November 19, 2001 Astig, Your overall time is great. I think the idea is to get a draw and A hit in 1.00 seconds, then have 0.20 splits. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ASTIG Posted November 20, 2001 Share Posted November 20, 2001 hey flexmoney, thanks. i think i really have to work on my reaction time. it really is slow compared to what i've read around other forums. would it help if i'm using electronic muffs? i'm using the ordinary peltor now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve Moneypenny Posted November 20, 2001 Share Posted November 20, 2001 i have shot comparing them, and my experience is that they do not help. there is also a post in the "skills" forum where others have the same conclusion. i really should try this drill with my limited gun. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bill Anderson Posted December 6, 2001 Share Posted December 6, 2001 I've been shooting BD's with my limited blaster for about 3 years and have come to the conclusion it is purely a "feel" drill. I can make a 2.15 all A's if I stop trying to drive the gun and just let my muscle memory feel when the muzzle is pointed at the target, I guess my eyes confirm it but I am not conscious of that, jus the feeling of being there. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PaulW Posted December 6, 2001 Share Posted December 6, 2001 IMO I think this drill teaches you the essance of relaxation during high speed movement (i.e. the draw, and fast splits.). I have seen sooo many people do this drill and double clutch the trigger or miss the draw horribly. You have to stay relaxed......that's the key. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mississippi Posted October 31, 2003 Share Posted October 31, 2003 Mine today averaged 2.3-2.4 with my Production rig. Not bad, but there is room for improvement. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rhino Posted November 1, 2003 Share Posted November 1, 2003 I can't even get my gun out of my holster in two seconds! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Singlestack Posted November 1, 2003 Share Posted November 1, 2003 I shot a 1.95 in front of my partner during practice about a month ago. While we were wowing my first sub 2, a local IDPA shooter in the next bay heard me and came to investigate. He asked what the time had been and then scoffed like he thought the timer was wrong. I offered to do it again. I shot a 1.76 with a .80 draw. My first shot was a C one inch to the right and dead in the middle, the rest scattered A's. I was suprised by the time. I was very tired due to having not slept at all the night before driving home from out of town work. Sometimes though, ya just gotta do whatca gotta do. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tightloop Posted November 1, 2003 Share Posted November 1, 2003 Great time John. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dalmas Posted November 24, 2003 Share Posted November 24, 2003 I keep Excel spread sheets for everything (standard exersice) I do. Like el presidente, bill drill, Swedish king (my variant of el pres) etc. my average is 2.36 and best time is 2.01 (6 times)..... confident that with some dry fire training on especially my draw I'll find the smothness needed to break 2. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tightloop Posted November 24, 2003 Share Posted November 24, 2003 My best with no points down is 2.05. Have done several under 2.0 but not clean. The times I have had to shoot this in a match, I did a "steady Eddie" about 2.25 or 2.30. You can't win a match here, but you might loose one if you go crazy trying to go really low. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mayonaise Posted December 12, 2003 Share Posted December 12, 2003 My best clean time is 2.55 with my 1911. I shoot 185pf ammo and use a Alessie DOJ leather holster. I'm happy with that time. Last weekend with a stock G17 I shot a 2.05 down 1 out of a Safariland 560. Getting a fast first shot clean is the trick for me especially with the 1911. Mark Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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