P.E. Kelley Posted September 13, 2009 Share Posted September 13, 2009 (edited) Hey 3 gunners who of you are going to the 3Gun Nationals? If so, could you please state your intended division. I really want to shoot Limited but rumor has it only 4 are entered. Thanks people Patrick Edited September 13, 2009 by P.E. Kelley Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Benelli Chick Posted September 13, 2009 Share Posted September 13, 2009 JJ and I are going, but no help for you...Open and Tactical! Will be good to see you there! We got married at Nationals in Vegas in 2005, so we've got to try it again! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Charles Bond Posted September 13, 2009 Share Posted September 13, 2009 JJ and I are going, but no help for you...Open and Tactical!Will be good to see you there! We got married at Nationals in Vegas in 2005, so we've got to try it again! So who are you going to marry this time???????? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ken hebert Posted September 14, 2009 Share Posted September 14, 2009 As fas as Firebird shooters: me: tactical Jim: open Nanci: open Randy: open Craig: _____? (guessing open) Jason: _____? (guessing open) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Religious Shooter Posted September 14, 2009 Share Posted September 14, 2009 Since USPSA doesn't have Limited RDS (yet), I'm shooting Tactical. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
outerlimits Posted September 14, 2009 Share Posted September 14, 2009 open... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blockhead Posted September 14, 2009 Share Posted September 14, 2009 Tactical. Gordon, what do you mean by "Limited RDS" ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Religious Shooter Posted September 14, 2009 Share Posted September 14, 2009 "We" are trying to get 1X red dot sights (RDS) to be legal for the rifle in the USPSA's Limited Division. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gose Posted September 14, 2009 Share Posted September 14, 2009 (edited) "We" are trying to get 1X red dot sights (RDS) to be legal for the rifle in the USPSA's Limited Division. Whats the point of that? I thought we already had a division for people with one optic. (nm, found the other thread about it) Shooting tactical at the nationals.... Edited September 14, 2009 by gose Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Religious Shooter Posted September 14, 2009 Share Posted September 14, 2009 (edited) Because for most people 1X red dots aren't as fast on the long targets as a 1X-4/6X(etc.) optic. That's why RDS aren't very popular in Tactical. And yet RDS are extremely popular as a rifle sighting system. For a new RDS shooter where can they compete? In Tactical and Open --- where they would get trounced if there are long range targets. So their options are 1) to continue to get trounced, 2) buy another optic/upper (spend more $$$ and not be able to practice with their primary choice for a rifle sight) or 3) screw it all and not play. I would rather have them come and play. And I would rather them not have to buy another sight/upper to participate and be competitive. So either we make another division, we put them in Limited or we only allow unmagnified optics in Tactical. I'd rather not have another division. And the last is IMHO stupid. So... allow them in Limited. From the other thread, the majority of the iron sight shooters don't think RDS is all that. The iron sight shooters think they will stomp the guts out of the RDS shooters. The great majority of Limited shooters don't mind if RDS becomes legal in Limited. Edited September 14, 2009 by Religious Shooter Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Charles Bond Posted September 14, 2009 Share Posted September 14, 2009 For any for of RDS being allowed in Limited Division it would require action by the BOD in the form of a rules change to so allow. The BOD meets in December after the nationals so there is no chance there will be a rules change between now and the 2009 Nationals to allow RDS in Limited Division. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trail3 Posted September 14, 2009 Share Posted September 14, 2009 I'll be there, Tactical. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mig Posted September 14, 2009 Share Posted September 14, 2009 (edited) Sorry to say I won't Edited September 14, 2009 by Mig Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tyro Shooter Posted September 14, 2009 Share Posted September 14, 2009 Tacticool Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TMC Posted September 15, 2009 Share Posted September 15, 2009 Tactical Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TonyH Posted September 15, 2009 Share Posted September 15, 2009 open Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
A well Earled machine Posted September 15, 2009 Share Posted September 15, 2009 I'll be chasing you all - R/O. We had hoped to shoot at least a few stages in some sort of a staff match but it sounds as though we shouldn't count on it. No big deal - I don't shoot all that well anyway! Pat, you should run HM - that’s always a real good show. Looking forward to seeing all of you, Earl Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
P.E. Kelley Posted September 15, 2009 Author Share Posted September 15, 2009 I'll be chasing you all - R/O. We had hoped to shoot at least a few stages in some sort of a staff match but it sounds as though we shouldn't count on it. No big deal - I don't shoot all that well anyway! Pat, you should run HM - that’s always a real good show. Looking forward to seeing all of you, Earl Thank you VERY much for your continuing efforts to help us have a fun and safe time! I find this very odd......... but now that USPSA has adopted Heavy Metal as DIVISION they are not going to recognize it at the Nationals (it will be a special category and subset of Limited) Patrick (looks like I will be running glass) Kelley Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wgnoyes Posted September 20, 2009 Share Posted September 20, 2009 TWO heavy metal divisions, actually. HM-Limited and HM-Tactical. I can't think of a reason why the couldn't run them as full-up divisions. Since they can modify the file in ezwinscore that defines the various divsions, it's a simple exercise to add these two. I'm doing it for Area 6 Multigun. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
P.E. Kelley Posted September 20, 2009 Author Share Posted September 20, 2009 TWO heavy metal divisions, actually. HM-Limited and HM-Tactical.I can't think of a reason why the couldn't run them as full-up divisions. Since they can modify the file in ezwinscore that defines the various divsions, it's a simple exercise to add these two. I'm doing it for Area 6 Multigun. You are correct USPSA has provisions for both HM Iron and Optic. The "reason" has nothing to do with a scoring program. My understanding is it is not being recognized "by choice". From the official entry form. Class (circle one): GM M A B C D U Category (circle one): JR SS SR FEM HEAVY METAL Division: Open Standard Tactical Rifle: Major/Minor Pistol: Major/Minor Shotgun: Major No DIVISION for HM Iron or Optic. It makes it difficult to enter a division not available. What light might you shed on this sir? Patrick Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
davecutts Posted September 20, 2009 Share Posted September 20, 2009 Open Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
smokshwn Posted September 20, 2009 Share Posted September 20, 2009 Ken was right, I will be there and shooting Open. Craig Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wgnoyes Posted September 20, 2009 Share Posted September 20, 2009 (edited) The "reason" has nothing to do with a scoring program.....No DIVISION [on the form] for HM Iron or Optic. It makes it difficult to enter a division not available. What light might you shed on this sir? Well, for all the rest of us running multigun matches, it would have a very big something to do with the scoring program, as ezws currently won't let you register people in HM-Limited or HM-Tactical. What light can I shed beyond that? None. I just can't understand why they wouldn't treat the 2 HM's as real divisions, unless they just think HM won't draw enough to meet the requirements for recognition in the match. Edited September 20, 2009 by wgnoyes Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chendersby Posted September 21, 2009 Share Posted September 21, 2009 TWO heavy metal divisions, actually. HM-Limited and HM-Tactical.I can't think of a reason why the couldn't run them as full-up divisions. Since they can modify the file in ezwinscore that defines the various divsions, it's a simple exercise to add these two. I'm doing it for Area 6 Multigun. You are correct USPSA has provisions for both HM Iron and Optic. The "reason" has nothing to do with a scoring program. My understanding is it is not being recognized "by choice". From the official entry form. Class (circle one): GM M A B C D U Category (circle one): JR SS SR FEM HEAVY METAL Division: Open Standard Tactical Rifle: Major/Minor Pistol: Major/Minor Shotgun: Major No DIVISION for HM Iron or Optic. It makes it difficult to enter a division not available. What light might you shed on this sir? Patrick I have asked the question to those who are higher up the food chain than me. Will keep you posted. Chris Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
D.Hayden Posted September 21, 2009 Share Posted September 21, 2009 Anyone know the count of pre-registered shooters? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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