STI2011 Posted July 8, 2009 Share Posted July 8, 2009 I am looking for a singlestack airsoft gun of decent quality. I am not fond of the WE guns. I have a Hicapa 5.1 to mimic my limited gun and I am not happy with the quality of the gun or the gas consumption. Does anyone have any recommendations other than WE? Thanks Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WyoBob Posted July 8, 2009 Share Posted July 8, 2009 I am looking for a singlestack airsoft gun of decent quality. I am not fond of the WE guns. I have a Hicapa 5.1 to mimic my limited gun and I am not happy with the quality of the gun or the gas consumption. Does anyone have any recommendations other than WE?Thanks I've had really good luck with my T.M. MEU. I've put around 10 Coleman canisters worth of bb's through the pistol with no problems and airsoft practice has helped me quite a bit with my plate shooting skills. WyoBob Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
STI2011 Posted July 8, 2009 Author Share Posted July 8, 2009 (edited) I've had really good luck with my T.M. MEU. I've put around 10 Coleman canisters worth of bb's through the pistol with no problems and airsoft practice has helped me quite a bit with my plate shooting skills.WyoBob Thanks for the info. pm sent with additional questions. Anyone else have any recommendations or would like to comment on their experience with the TM 1911? Edited July 8, 2009 by glockman2000 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sfpmb Posted July 8, 2009 Share Posted July 8, 2009 Are you haveing gas consumption problems with both your WE and TM or just the WE and looking for a different brand of 1911? I have and have shot the TM 1911 MEU and I really like it. This helped me learn alot about the parts, operation and uprades of the TM http://airsoft-barracks.com/page.php?142 The uprage and parts suppy for the TM is endless. here is what I have done to make a limited match the real pic of airsofts Hope this helps you and others. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
01G8R Posted July 8, 2009 Share Posted July 8, 2009 I don't have any recommendations other than the WE, but here are some things I have found with the WE. After shooting my KWA Glock for some time I had gas consumption issues with the WE I purchased to mimic my STI. I found that I usually counted to 5 when filling the mags on my Glock. That would get me 2 mags worth of shooting before adding more gas. With 5 seconds in the WE I wouldn't get through one mag. I have found that counting to 9 with the WE gets me through 2 mags on the WE if I'm doing slow fire. If going fast the 9 seconds of gas on the WE will last one magazine. I think the brand of gas makes a difference too. I only use Benzomatic now. The cheap Worthington stuff from Wal-Mart really smells bad and doesn't work as well for me. I haven't had any quality issues with the WE. What problems are you having? Here are some links I found on getting the WE to work a little better. I have done the rail polishing and that seemed to help gas consumption. http://www.airsoftforum.com/board/Calling-...-Tm-t33094.html http://www.airsoftforum.com/board/Tune-Wes...-45-t30396.html Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
STI2011 Posted July 8, 2009 Author Share Posted July 8, 2009 (edited) Are you haveing gas consumption problems with both your WE and TM or just the WE and looking for a different brand of 1911? I have and have shot the TM 1911 MEU and I really like it. I just have a WE Hicapa 5.1 airsoft gun and am looking for a 1911 airsoft gun that I am not going to have the same problems. I found that I usually counted to 5 when filling the mags on my Glock. That would get me 2 mags worth of shooting before adding more gas. With 5 seconds in the WE I wouldn't get through one mag. I have found that counting to 9 with the WE gets me through 2 mags on the WE if I'm doing slow fire. If going fast the 9 seconds of gas on the WE will last one magazine. What problems are you having? For the first 2 months or so I filled the magazines counting to 5 and it would run a full magazine. Here I am at about 5 months and I now count to 12 and I don't always get a full magazine. Sometimes only half. I have 3 magazines and I have the same problem with all 3. Sometimes the slide may cycle 3 or 4 times without loading a BB and, at other times, I can get through the entire mag with no "blanks". Thanks to both of you for the info, I will research the provided links and see if they help my Hicapa. Edited July 8, 2009 by glockman2000 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1911onr Posted July 8, 2009 Share Posted July 8, 2009 I have a Caspian branded 1911 SS air-soft that I'm willing to part with. PM if interested. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flyin40 Posted July 8, 2009 Share Posted July 8, 2009 Just went with a Tokyo Marui because it has a ton of aftermarket parts that are easily available. I bought a base gun which comes with a plastic slide and upgraded it with a new recoil spring, metal slide, comp, inner barrel, outer barrel, new mag valves and new piston head. WA guns are nice from what I hear. I'm new to airsoft and so far I like the TM. They are really easy to work on. Flyin Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BBoyle Posted July 11, 2009 Share Posted July 11, 2009 Where is everyone ordering their airsofts from? Everytime I search the internet I get overseas addresses and I am not sending my credit info overseas. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WyoBob Posted July 11, 2009 Share Posted July 11, 2009 Where is everyone ordering their airsofts from? Everytime I search the internet I get overseas addresses and I am not sending my credit info overseas. I ordered my MEU from Trinity: http://www.trinityairsoft.com/p-1229-tokyo...irsoft-gun.aspx WyoBob Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
STI2011 Posted July 13, 2009 Author Share Posted July 13, 2009 Has anyone just run their TM airsoft with the plastic slide that comes with the gun and duster gas or something not as powerful as green gas? I'm wondering how long the slide and other components would last running in that configuration. I would like to buy a TM 1911 but, I'd like to avoid spending another couple hundred dollars to upgrade it, if I don't have to. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Duane Thomas Posted July 13, 2009 Share Posted July 13, 2009 The plastic slide guns are not intended to be run with Green Gas/propane, only the less powerful 134a. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
STI2011 Posted July 13, 2009 Author Share Posted July 13, 2009 (edited) The plastic slide guns are not intended to be run with Green Gas/propane, only the less powerful 134a. Right. My post wasn't very clear. What I am asking is how do these guns hold up if you just use them as intended with the plastic slide and 134a gas? Do they run ok in this configuration for purposes of uspsa practice? What is the FPS difference between using plastic slide and 134a and a metal slide and green gas? If the gun from the factory and using lighter gas runs fine, I would rather use that combo than to spend a couple hundred more for new slide, barrel, etc... just so I can run green gas through it. Edited July 13, 2009 by STI2011 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Duane Thomas Posted July 14, 2009 Share Posted July 14, 2009 My impression from discussing the matter with those who've done it is that you want a gun with a metal slide. Period. With the amount of practice we do, the slide-to-frame fit on an all-plastic gun loosens up in short order. When that happens you lose the gas seal that makes the gun work. The conventional wisdom for the all-plastic Airsoft is "Shoot it until it stops working, then upgrade to a metal slide." Myself, I'd skip the lead-in and go for a gun that has a metal slide to start with. BTW, the entire gun won't cost you a couple hundred dollars, much less "a couple hundred dollars more." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
STI2011 Posted July 14, 2009 Author Share Posted July 14, 2009 (edited) BTW, the entire gun won't cost you a couple hundred dollars, much less "a couple hundred dollars more." That's if you go with something like a WE which I think is made too cheap. I am not pleased with my WE Hicapa. My numbers were based on a TM MEU. From what I have seen, the prices are running between $180 - $190 for the gun and a mag. You'll spend another $60 to $80 on additional mags and you are already into the gun for $250 - $275. If you start upgrading parts you are going to spend another $60 - $80 for a new slide, $30 or so for a new barrel, $20 for some new springs, etc...you are topping $400 in no time. Unless my numbers off? Edited July 14, 2009 by STI2011 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
xcelr8hard Posted July 14, 2009 Share Posted July 14, 2009 Can anybody tell me the difference between these 2 guns? TM WE Thanks, Butch Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Duane Thomas Posted July 14, 2009 Share Posted July 14, 2009 Difficult to tell over the Internet. Superficially they're very similar but that doesn't tell me anything about their underlying quality or reliability. I'd have to actually handle and fire both guns - which sadly I haven't - to have an opinion on the matter. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WyoBob Posted July 14, 2009 Share Posted July 14, 2009 I tried to do enough research on airsoft's and the gas to use in them to make a good decision. I bought my TM MEU knowing that 134A was the recommended gas and that propane was not recommended. I decided to go with propane due to the lower cost and availability. I can't go to a local store to find 134. Coleman fuel is everywhere. The costs for 134A seem to vary wildly. From .023 to .052/ml. (without shipping costs) Propane is $.006/ml when bought at Walmart. So, after 10 canisters of Coleman fuel through my MEU (with no problems so far), I figure I've saved enough money to buy a metal slide. I had a Marvel Unit 2 for awhile and sold it and bought a CZ and the Kadet kit when I was shooting my CZ. The Kadet was more accurate and a very well designed unit but I eventually decided I prefer the 1911 platform. I decided to try airsoft as opposed to buying another 22 conversion. The MEU was cheaper by half than a 22 conversion and, when you factor in the cost/availability of 22 ammo, the airsoft is a clear winner in the "bang for the buck" department. I figure, in all of the airsoft shooting I've done, the savings by not buying 22 ammo has paid for the MEU. When you figure in the costs of driving to a range and the ability to shoot airsoft inside where it's warm in the winter (an important factor in Wyoming), the airsoft really comes out ahead. Bottom line: I figure I've saved enough money shooting propane in an airsoft that if it blew up tomorrow, I could buy another and still be money ahead. If the slide ever cracks on my MEU, I'll go to a metal kit and, in the long run, will still come out ahead dollar wise and will practice much more since my practice range is right here at home. WyoBob Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Duane Thomas Posted July 14, 2009 Share Posted July 14, 2009 So, after 10 canisters of Coleman fuel through my MEU (with no problems so far) Interesting. I'd be very curious to know how many canisters of propane it takes before the slide-to-frame fit on your gun loosens to the point it stops working, using propane.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Duane Thomas Posted July 14, 2009 Share Posted July 14, 2009 If the slide ever cracks on my MEU When a plastic slide Airsoft gets shot to the point it stops working, generally it's not because the slide cracks but because the slide-to-frame fit has loosened up to the point you've lost a good gas seal between the two parts that allows the gun to work. Anyone out there ever run pellets over a chronograph, out of the same gun, using 134a and Green Gas/propane? I'd be very curious to know the difference in velocity. It's a common statement - I've said it myself, in this thread among other places - that Green Gas/propane is more powerful than 134a and thus shouldn't be used in plastic slide Airsofts. That's certainly what the manufacturers say. But I've never really measured the difference myself, thus to determine if that's actually true. It may well not be. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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